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Old 04-18-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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Yeah, most dont even know its taking place.. shh, dont tell anyone

Case | Tax-raising Affordable Care Act started in wrong house of Congress - Pacific Legal Foundation

Status: Plaintiff appealed to the D.C. Circuit Court of Apppeals on Jul. 5, 2013. Briefing completed Dec. 20, 2013. Oral argument scheduled for May 8, 2014.
Summary:
Pacific Legal Foundation has launched a new constitutional cause of action against the federal Affordable Care Act. The ACA imposes a charge on Americans who fail to buy health insurance — a charge that the U.S. Supreme Court recently characterized as a federal tax. PLF’s amended complaint alleges that this purported tax is illegal because it was introduced in the Senate rather than the House, as required by the Constitution’s Origination Clause for new revenue-raising bills (Article I, Section 7).

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The Origination Clause argument is part of an amended complaint filed in PLF’s existing lawsuit against the ACA, Sissel v. U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, pending before Judge Beryl A. Howell, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Again? Haven't some tried to repeal this more than 40 times? Wasn't it found to be "constitutional" by the supreme court? Yeesh,..
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Again? Haven't some tried to repeal this more than 40 times? Wasn't it found to be "constitutional" by the supreme court? Yeesh,..
They didn't hear or consider this argument...
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:56 AM
 
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Again? Haven't some tried to repeal this more than 40 times? Wasn't it found to be "constitutional" by the supreme court? Yeesh,..
only the penalty part and the mandates were adjudicated and found to be constitutional. this case is about where the tax originated, which was in fact the senate, and that is unconstitutional because all new taxes are to originate in the house of representatives, not the senate.
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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Again? Haven't some tried to repeal this more than 40 times? Wasn't it found to be "constitutional" by the supreme court? Yeesh,..
Clearly some of us are more informed than others. The Supreme Court never heard arguments of if the bill was passed legally, only if the law as written was constitutional. The Obama administration argued that it wasnt a tax, and it wasnt until the Supreme Court ruling tht it was a tax, that this case was allowed to proceed forward.
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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only the penalty part and the mandates were adjudicated and found to be constitutional. this case is about where the tax originated, which was in fact the senate, and that is unconstitutional because all new taxes are to originate in the house of representatives, not the senate.
And what's interesting is the Supreme Court itself opened the door to this since they're the ones who called it a tax.
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:01 AM
 
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And what's interesting is the Supreme Court itself opened the door to this since they're the ones who called it a tax.
To be fair, they simply repeated the newly made arguments by the Obama administration who argued that it wasnt a tax, until they got to the Supreme Court and then called it a tax.

The irony if ACA gets ruled uncosntitutional because Obama called it a tax would be priceless..
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:02 AM
 
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And what's interesting is the Supreme Court itself opened the door to this since they're the ones who called it a tax.
yes, but, the door was already open by the law itself. even penalties are a form of revenue, and that alone makes the law unconstitutional. the supreme court just kicked down an open door.
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:05 AM
 
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yes, but, the door was already open by the law itself. even penalties are a form of revenue, and that alone makes the law unconstitutional. the supreme court just kicked down an open door.
I think they knew what they were doing, and sent enough hints to the public what they would do for a follow up challenge.

Americans just didnt listen.
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:14 AM
 
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Why am I suddenly reminded of Orly Taitz?
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