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Old 04-22-2014, 11:34 AM
 
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Union were supposed to represent employees and fight for their rights and benefits.... and they still do it.
Not without hurting the rest of society.

Their benefits have been overwhelmed by their downside.
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Old 04-22-2014, 02:20 PM
 
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Union were supposed to represent employees and fight for their rights and benefits.... and they still do it.
And they force employers to other parts of the country and the world for cheaper labor due in part to union demands.

Please, for the love of all things good, tell me how fighting for rights and benefits will actually benefit anyone when the company pulls up roots, relocates, and sends employees home without a job?

You folks will never get it. Autoworkers had it good until they pushed too far. Now they have nothing. Is that what you call winning?
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:39 PM
 
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You folks will never get it. Autoworkers had it good until they pushed too far. Now they have nothing. Is that what you call winning?
The Union does. By gum, they sho did show dat company sumptin.

El Nox
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:54 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Please, for the love of all things good, tell me how fighting for rights and benefits will actually benefit anyone when the company pulls up roots, relocates, and sends employees home without a job?
There was never a threat of that at VW. Corp wanted the union. Now given labor having seats on the German Board, I wonder if Tn has any shot at a new vehicle. If not, the plant will not last, as sales of the Passat have steadily dropped.
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:05 PM
 
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How do the unions hurt the rest of society? The northern, unionized states, are the richest in the nation...




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Not without hurting the rest of society.

Their benefits have been overwhelmed by their downside.
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:08 PM
 
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And they force employers to other parts of the country and the world for cheaper labor due in part to union demands.

Oh, please were American union members supposed to be competitive when Chinese workers were working for a $1 an hour? Lol







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Please, for the love of all things good, tell me how fighting for rights and benefits will actually benefit anyone when the company pulls up roots, relocates, and sends employees home without a job?
And yet the northern unionized states are the richest in the nation?

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Old 04-22-2014, 10:12 PM
 
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In Germany unions are a part of corporate policy making. It actually makes it easier for companies like Mercedes to deal with organized labor rather than unrepresented mass of employees. But this of course will never be understood by people living in poor right-to-work states.




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There was never a threat of that at VW. Corp wanted the union. Now given labor having seats on the German Board, I wonder if Tn has any shot at a new vehicle. If not, the plant will not last, as sales of the Passat have steadily dropped.
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:28 PM
 
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I get it. Workers are corrupt, and boards of directors are saints. Born yesterday, were y'all?
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:47 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Oh, please were American union members supposed to be competitive to Chinese workers making a $1 an hour??
With automation plus the cost of shipping, they often are. We make many products in our Southeast plants that were in-sourced from Asia.

Back to the real Topic-Now in this case had Bill Clinton not vetoed a bill this VW situation would have a far more palatable possible ending. BC vetoed legislation which would have allowed work councils without formal union recognition. A very stupid decision on his part-payoff to union buds, no doubt!

But no one could claim here the plant was threatened by the union. They were fine with the idea. What non-locals are missing here is Corker & Haslam did not engage in mistruths to benefit VW-this was about them doing a favor for Nissan. That is immoral, as one corps employees decisions should not be used as PAWNS for another corp.
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:47 PM
 
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Apparently you missed my point about the VW Board. Where they are physically located is irrelevant. The fact that they don't have to deal with a Union is the point ... and don't even think for a second that they are not squealing with glee over the Union loss. Methinks they wish is would happen in der Fatherland as well.

By the way ... I still want to hear when "indicated" becomes reality. It ain't gonna happen.

El Nox
Right...coming from someone who's served on the boards of how many fortune 500 companies? Sorry, your 'point' means diddly.
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