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Well just to point out, Chicago's murder rate and its overall crime rate are pretty much in the middle of the pack for larger cities in the USA - they just happen to be higher than the #1 and #2 cities (which are much much lower than average).
Also on the gun thing, I mean I'm pretty much open to conceal and carry, but I have to every time I see people making all these comments that it's going to have an impact on the gun crimes in Chicago.
A large majority of the gun crimes are young males in select dangerous neighborhoods who run around after dark shooting at other young males. Back and forth, the armed criminal vs the armed criminal or someone who they assume is armed - and probably is at many times. They just try to catch each other when they have their guard down and couldn't shoot back first.
Conceal and carry sounds good for regular old folks protecting themselves - but that's NOT what drives the crimes in Chicago. The gangbangers couldn't care less about concel and carry, they don't know the law and don't bother themselves finding out. It's far beyond their scope and thought process. They assume the people they're shooting are armed already.
There are an estimated 100,000 gangbangers in the city, and they have a murder rate of around 220/100,000. The other 94.4% of people in the city have a murder rate of 5/100,000 (or about the national average).
The murder rate sharply correlates to the economic status of people as well. Whites and Asians tend to be better off in the city, make up over 1/3 of the population and have a murder rate of around 1.6/100,000. Blacks have more economic issues, are around 1/3 of the population and have a rate of around 39/100,000. Hispanics are middle of the road, are a bit less than 1/3 of the population and have a rate of around 8/100,000.
I have the same sentiment towards conceal and carry. I'm okay with having it. I consider it your right as an American citizen to do that. And like you, I see all of these arguments between "pro gun" and "pro gun-control" and shudder.
Gun politics is a game. It is being played from a perspective of "give everyone guns" or "take guns away". Being able to defend yourself is very important. However, the idea of "gang bangers will get the message if we start shooting them", well, it doesn't work. As you say, "one criminal shooting another". Such persons are used to the idea of getting killed by gun fire. In fact, I watched an episode of Gangland one night. It was about gangs in Milwaukee. One man described their way of life as "live fast, die young, have a good-looking corpse". Another woman described how they lived as "live by the sword, die by the sword". One person asked one of the gang members "where do you see yourself at 30?". The gang member just laughed. Basically, gang bangers don't expect to live long, and often don't care if they live or die, so they have no problem taking someone else out.
The correlation with poverty rate and murder rate seems right. I would also look at joblessness and education attainment as well. I would also account for family status. Consider if said person came from a 2 parent home, a single parent home, or raised by the state.
One thing I'm seeing out of all of this is that few people are interested in solving problems. It is all about "my politcal view is better than yours" kind of crap. Solving solutions would require putting aside political agendas and loyalties and actually trying to solve problems. It feels more like a war than a debate.
There in lies the problem, some political agendas, loyalties, views, and beliefs did cause this problem, why should we listen to them?
I have the same sentiment towards conceal and carry. I'm okay with having it. I consider it your right as an American citizen to do that. And like you, I see all of these arguments between "pro gun" and "pro gun-control" and shudder.
Gun politics is a game. It is being played from a perspective of "give everyone guns" or "take guns away". Being able to defend yourself is very important. However, the idea of "gang bangers will get the message if we start shooting them", well, it doesn't work. As you say, "one criminal shooting another". Such persons are used to the idea of getting killed by gun fire. In fact, I watched an episode of Gangland one night. It was about gangs in Milwaukee. One man described their way of life as "live fast, die young, have a good-looking corpse". Another woman described how they lived as "live by the sword, die by the sword". One person asked one of the gang members "where do you see yourself at 30?". The gang member just laughed. Basically, gang bangers don't expect to live long, and often don't care if they live or die, so they have no problem taking someone else out.
The correlation with poverty rate and murder rate seems right. I would also look at joblessness and education attainment as well. I would also account for family status. Consider if said person came from a 2 parent home, a single parent home, or raised by the state.
Yes their is a correlation with poverty and education, unfortunately one side is called every name in the book when they want to help by one side that needs a large of dependent, uneducated people to exploit for a vote..
To those who say we need to spend more money, we have The Way On Poverty has been fought for the last 50 years....Poverty has clearly won.. When you subsidize something you always get more of it.
Yes their is a correlation with poverty and education, unfortunately one side is called every name in the book when they want to help by one side that needs a large of dependent, uneducated people to exploit for a vote..
You keep saying this, but have done nothing to show it is the truth...
Because the GOP has been so active in their inner city outreach. If they can honestly make their case and have a good one, why don't they?
Because every time we do the race hustlers and the left scream "racist "until their throat bleed...And the media seemingly does not care or carries water for the Democratic Party..
Factor in SEIU and ACORN spreading out right lies....
Like Paul Ryan..Made valid points proposed ideas and solutions but was called every name in the book..
Because every time we do the race hustlers and the left scream "racist "until their throat bleed...And the media seemingly does not care or carries water for the Democratic Party..
Factor in SEIU and ACORN spreading out right lies....
Like Paul Ryan..Made valid points proposed ideas and solutions but was called every name in the book..
Lol, your defense is "when we present our political beliefs our opponents criticize us". Hello? Do you know how politics work? Yes, the one side attacks the other, just like the right screams "gun grab" until their throats bleed. Factor in the NRA spreading outright lies... Like Joe Manchin...Made valid points proposed ideas and solutions but was called every name in the book...
That's a lame, lazy excuse and you know it. Instead of deflecting, how about a little self-reflection on why the GOP can't even manage double digits in those votes.
It helps some people that can only view their environment in Dem-Repub terms. But for the original topic of the thread, no it isn't political. But that doesn't stop some people.
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every time I see people making all these comments that it's going to have an impact on the gun crimes in Chicago.
