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Old 04-23-2014, 04:56 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Excuses?

WHAT part of "Under the tax code, it's illegal for a charity to engage in electoral politics" causes such difficulty for you? Or is it just the self-Righteous consider themselves above the law when it suits their agenda?
Actually, the law is not that is illegal for a charity to engage in politics, it's that the group may not have politics as its primary purpose. This is something I see stated incorrectly time and again around here on CD. That being said, I find it interesting and more than a bit suspicious that only groups supporting right-wing politics are being targeted. Equal application of the law and all that - it's something that should be non-partisan.
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Old 04-23-2014, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Yeah funny how all of that was found not to be true.

The tea bag groups should never have been granted tax exempt status when they admitted to being political organizations and not charities. That is the real scandal that they were approved for tax exempt status.

Know the difference between a 501c3 and a 501c4?

Of course you don't.
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Old 04-23-2014, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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We wouldnt want anyone to be bad mouthing Hillary going into her presidential bid...


I doubt this will be the last Tea Party/Patriot organization to lose their tax exempt status.

The IRS obviously wants to send a message.
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Old 04-23-2014, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The tea bag groups should never have been granted tax exempt status when they admitted to being political organizations and not charities. That is the real scandal that they were approved for tax exempt status.
Well, a lot of the times they do get the status.

Here is the approval breakdown:

Total approvals: 176
Conservative : 122
Non-conservative: 48

As you can see, far more Conservative groups are approved than non-conservative.

So, why do they keep crying about harassment?

Because playing the victim a the new Conservative pass-time.

The truth is that Conservative groups get scrutinized more simply because they submit so many more applications. If you submit 90% of the applications, then why would you be surprised if 8 out of 10 scrutinized applications are yours? It's common sense, but it seems common sense left the building a long time ago, and now everyone just plays the victim.

Man up people!!

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Old 04-23-2014, 05:30 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The simple solution would be to exclude all political activity for 501c4's rather than putting the burden on the IRS to figure out if these groups are devoting less than 50% of their activity to politics. This doesn't preclude these groups from political activity, just that they will not get the benefit of a tax shelter on the tax payer dime. The group that was denied can go on with their activity without the benefit of tax benefits.

Congress would rather have this confusion remain, it benefits both sides.
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Old 04-23-2014, 05:31 AM
 
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From USA Today - "The Internal Revenue Service has revoked the tax-exempt status of a conservative-aligned charity for engaging in political activity as far back as the 2004 presidential election — including statements opposing Hillary Clinton for president."

IRS revokes group’s tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements | OnPolitics

Cue up the excuses and talking points libs. I wonder if we'll hear any you suggest the IRS should go after OFA or Media Matters.
good. they should remove tax-exempt status from many of these organizations: conservative, liberal, as well as the religious fanatics who slip politics into their message.
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Old 04-23-2014, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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You must be going by Mr. Obama's latest instruction that it's a fake scandal - which followed his statement that it was a problem. It's good to see that people "evolve" with him.
Actually no. I mustn't.

I needed no instruction to recognize that it was a fake scandal. I simply had to watch it unfold.

As to "evolving," it's what smart people do. You should give it a shot.
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Old 04-23-2014, 06:35 AM
 
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The simple solution would be to exclude all political activity for 501c4's rather than putting the burden on the IRS to figure out if these groups are devoting less than 50% of their activity to politics. This doesn't preclude these groups from political activity, just that they will not get the benefit of a tax shelter on the tax payer dime. The group that was denied can go on with their activity without the benefit of tax benefits.

Congress would rather have this confusion remain, it benefits both sides.
501c4 donations are not tax deductible so it doesnt matter if they are there for political purposes or not.
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Old 04-23-2014, 06:36 AM
 
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Well, a lot of the times they do get the status.

Here is the approval breakdown:

Total approvals: 176
Conservative : 122
Non-conservative: 48

As you can see, far more Conservative groups are approved than non-conservative.

So, why do they keep crying about harassment?

Because playing the victim is becoming the Conservative pass-time.

The truth is that Conservative groups get scrutinized more simply because they submit so many more applications. If you submit 90% of the applications, then why would you be surprised if 8 out of 10 scrutinized applications are yours? It's common sense, but it seems common sense left the building a long time ago, and now everyone just plays the victim.

Man up people!!
The approval breakdown means nothing without posting the amount of time it took for their approval and how many applications were involved.

Good job bro at posting meaningless data and pretending it holds relevance.
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Old 04-23-2014, 06:43 AM
 
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Wait, I'm confused.

Did you want to "discuss the issue as it really exists"? Or did you you want to discuss the version that you posted there?
So why did the IRS admit they were wrong and issue an apology, blaming an employee?

Are you telling me the IRS lied? Wouldnt that make thing even worse?
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