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Old 05-17-2014, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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So we should trust everything every scientist says. Like those Big Pharma companies for example. Or the medical profession, who often act as shills for Big Pharma ..... Sorry, but I'm smarter than that!



As a matter of fact, I do. Mistrust those who hold out their computer models as Truth, that is. The old principle of Garbage In, Garbage Out will always apply.

I guess you think we should accept the literal truth of computer models the way some folks accept the literal truth of the bible. Ever wonder why you folks are accused or practicing a religion?
Do you have better prediction tools than computer models, maybe looking in the rear view mirror 100 years from now to confirm the predictions are valid.

Those computer models are based on science by the way.

 
Old 05-17-2014, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I guess you don't trust thermometers either, right?
That's funny. I have a plot of unadjusted raw temp data from NOAA for Palo Alto. The line is flat over 60 years.

Download your set and and plot it.
 
Old 05-17-2014, 10:53 AM
 
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So we should trust everything every scientist says. Like those Big Pharma companies for example. Or the medical profession, who often act as shills for Big Pharma ..... Sorry, but I'm smarter than that!

As a matter of fact, I do. Mistrust those who hold out their computer models as Truth, that is. The old principle of Garbage In, Garbage Out will always apply.

I guess you think we should accept the literal truth of computer models the way some folks accept the literal truth of the bible. Ever wonder why you folks are accused or practicing a religion?
Have you wondered why the religious crowd and the scientists don't get along very well?

The type of scientists involved climate research and medical research are different, and yet they share the passion for research. Of course, money is involved. This is capitalism after all.

Let me ask when your relative is dying, you question science and refuse medical treatment? How about practicing some prevention in both health and the environment? Actually riding a bike can bridge the gap and help both.
 
Old 05-17-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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I guess you don't trust thermometers either, right?
Right, they may have been "manipulated" in the manufacturing process to make you feel in your comfort zone, when it's actually unbearably hot.

The weatherman can be lying to you too, so he can keep you uninformed about an approaching storm and you leave your rain gear at home. That's why I ALWAYS take my umbrella with me.
 
Old 05-17-2014, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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That's funny. I have a plot of unadjusted raw temp data from NOAA for Palo Alto. The line is flat over 60 years.

Download your set and and plot it.
That proves what to you?
 
Old 05-17-2014, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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This looks about right to me...

 
Old 05-18-2014, 01:16 AM
 
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Wow, that Boiling Frog was really in her comfort zone.

Anyway Climate Change will hit in many ways, some of them unimaginable:

Climate change will hit nations’ creditworthiness -S&P


Climate change will hit nations


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It must be serious when they are talking about money.
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