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Old 04-24-2014, 09:40 AM
 
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Wow, did you ever miss the point.

First, you don't know how the pregnancy occurred. So right off the top, you're judging her for getting pregnant. Could be that a condom broke. Careful, your sexism and zlut-shaming are showing.

Second, she didn't have a baby WITH Carl. Carl has shown no inclination to be part of the child's life. The assumption is that she got pregnant BY Carl, but that's as far as it goes, and the author is very careful to illustrate how NOT involved Carl is with anything, not only by Lily's choice, but apparently Carl's, too. Some of you need to understand that there is a difference between impregnating someone and being a father. There is a difference between sperm donors and parents.

Anyway, this article demonstrates something I read about 20 years ago, how boys are falling behind in their education nearly out of the gate. This goes not only for academics, but for life skills. They are not taught how to persevere, nor are they taught to accept when things don't go their way and how to learn from their mistakes and failures. As a result, we have a generation of minimally educated, minimally employable men who live with their parents until they are 30 and escape into video games and booze the minute they get laid off. (And not for nothing, but there is plenty of evidence right here on this forum about how boys have not been taught how to be gracious in defeat and learn from it to improve themselves, simply looking at the number of man-children on here who lash out about women rejecting them.)

The answer is education, from kindergarten through college. Unfortunately, when you have an entire voting bloc of people in flyover country yammering about "intelligent design," blathering incoherently about how Jesus walked among dinosaurs, placing higher importance on owning guns than expanding their minds, concentrating more on what two consenting adults four states over do in the bedroom than on their own children's ability to pass a class, putting sufficient effort into xenophobic rage to perpetuate a bloated war machine in the Pentagon, and supporting idiots like George Bush because "he's one of us, he doesn't read newspapers, either" and Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney because they're physically attractive, you betcha, , that is going to be an uphill battle.
So what you want in response to the problem is more liberalism, more government, more "diversity" (lol), more female-centered initiatives, more participation-ribbons-for-all style education....in effect, more of everything that has caused the problem in the first place.

Boys are failing because nothing is for them anymore, it's everything for the girls...because patriarchy.

 
Old 04-24-2014, 09:41 AM
 
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So what you want in response to the problem is more liberalism, more government, more "diversity" (lol), more female-centered initiatives, more participation-ribbons-for-all style education....in effect, more of everything that has caused the problem in the first place.

Boys are failing because nothing is for them anymore, it's everything for the girls...because patriarchy.
Being taught to accept defeat, learn from one's mistakes, and persevere despite failure is the exact OPPOSITE of ribbons-for-all. Pay attention. Read. The rest of your post is irrelevant and amounts to nothing more than you seeing things that are not there.
 
Old 04-24-2014, 09:42 AM
 
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The people and media bash fathers so hard that even if mothers are wrong it has to be severe and even then its somehow the guys fault because he somehow made her do it or tricked into doing it. I feel that unless you were married child support should not be awarded. After all you didnt involve the government when you decided to have a kid so dont run to it when you are in trouble.
I highly doubt people and the media bashes fathers so hard when it seems whenever a child is in trouble or does something wrong the mother is seemingly responsible for it.

So you don't think fathers have any responsibility to support their children unless married to the mother.

Your government analogy is lacking and showing the flaw in you claiming that unless married child support should not be awarded. You claim not to run to the government because the gal didn't involve it when she decided to have a child. The gal did involve the male when she decided to have a child as it took his sperm so how come she can't get child support unless she's married?
 
Old 04-24-2014, 09:46 AM
 
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Either way its the woman who ultimate bares the burden of birth so yes the woman is responsible for what goes inside her body. Outside of rape it is her fault.
Never mind the question of why the gal can't get child support unless married despite how the father is involved.

It seems your logic is since the gal gives birth she's solely responsible for the child. In which case it seems you wouldn't have any objections to a guy not being involved in matters of abortion since she's the one giving birth.
 
Old 04-24-2014, 09:46 AM
 
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Yup in 2014 There's too many forms of BC and abortions that readily available. If you don't want a baby you don't have to have one
...and most low-income women can get them for free. But yeah, listen to Lilac, it's men that are the problem (what a surprise!)...and we dare not question Lily's empowering choice to have sex that was obviously risky enough that she got pregnant. We must not point out that there are consequences to Lily's poor choices to get knocked up by a less-than-stellar prospect...nope, nope, nope. That's sloot shaming!
 
Old 04-24-2014, 09:47 AM
 
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Either way its the woman who ultimate bares the burden of birth so yes the woman is responsible for what goes inside her body. Outside of rape it is her fault.
Nope! Takes two. Again, don't like the odds? Don't screw. It's really very simple.
 
Old 04-24-2014, 09:49 AM
 
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Men's choices end the minute sperm meets egg. Don't like the odds? Don't put your dick in someone.

Oops, was that shaming?
And this is why men leave without warning. Fathers dont matter only his money. That makes single mothers prostitutes. If you dont want a man to leave pick a better one.

Oops was that shaming
 
Old 04-24-2014, 09:49 AM
 
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...and most low-income women can get them for free. But yeah, listen to Lilac, it's men that are the problem (what a surprise!)...and we dare not question Lily's empowering choice to have sex that was obviously risky enough that she got pregnant. We must not point out that there are consequences to Lily's poor choices to get knocked up by a less-than-stellar prospect...nope, nope, nope. That's sloot shaming!
When I was in college they were giving out condoms like candy on Halloween
 
Old 04-24-2014, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Vail, CO
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Lol

You people and your gender bashing. I seriously have to wonder if you people actually go outside.

If you have a kids it's your fault. Raise it, pay child support, whatever. If you contributed to the problem help resolve it.
Pawning kids off on family members is trashy.

Life really isn't that difficult.
 
Old 04-24-2014, 09:51 AM
 
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Nope! Takes two. Again, don't like the odds? Don't screw. It's really very simple.
Only one gives birth. The woman. You let him inside. If you want a good father pick a better man. If he abandons you its your fault for sleeping with a loser. Easy right?
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