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Old 04-25-2014, 01:46 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Did you read the Court order? They were not there to "collect a bill".

In Case No. 2:12-cv-0804-LDG-GWF, on July 2013, US District Court – District of Nevada Ruled:

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Bundy is permanently enjoined from trespassing on the New Trespass Lands.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the United States is entitled to protect the New Trespass Lands against this trespass, and all future trespasses by Bundy.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Bundy shall remove his livestock from the New Trespass Lands within 45 days of the date hereof, and that the United States is entitled to seize and remove to impound any of Bundy’s cattle that remain in trespass after 45 days of the date hereof.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the United States is entitled to seize and remove to impound any of Bundy’s cattle for any future trespasses, provided the United States has provided notice to Bundy under the governing regulations of the United States Department of the Interior.

What is your "LOGIC" that Bundy should have never been charged for grazing fees?

The BLM was armed for a reason....
Militia to BLM:

The Feds are not "against us". They are just against the deadbeat Rancher Bundy for not paying his grazing fees.

The transfer of Federal land to the states seems to working out 'real good' in Utah!
Utah Local News - Salt Lake City News, Sports, Archive - The Salt Lake Tribune

This will cost Utah a fortune.

We all saw who ran the trespassers out of Bunkerville.

 
Old 04-25-2014, 01:56 PM
 
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We all saw who ran the trespassers out of Bunkerville.
Well according to the residents of that area, it is the militia members who are creating havoc. Here is a snippet. There's more if you look.

Eyewitnesses tell neighbors that in the wake of the BLM stand down on April 12, heavily armed marauders were driving around Mesquite intimidating hotel employees and openly carrying handguns into restaurants and stores. Others claim there were telephone threats. Yet others say armed gunman were screaming “Victory!” from the back of pickup trucks as they drove through town. This was after the I-15 was shut down where vigilantes pointed loaded assault rifles at federal officers.

Now I appreciate Barton’s frankness and accessibility. He’s a terrific City Manager who has to take his orders from City Council and the Mayor. His comments walked the line so he didn’t offend Cliven’s clan or the torch & pitchfork crowd while attempting to tamp down fears of horrified residents.

Let’s see. The City is neither for nor against the Bundys and it wasn’t our fight. Are you serious?

Bundy’s had 20 years of days in court where he lost every legal battle, wracked up $1 million in overdue taxes & fees and he continues to graze his cattle illegally on public land. He doesn’t believe the federal government exists, demanded the sheriff bring guns belonging to federal agents to him, has surrounded himself with an anti-government civilian army and he’s talking directly to his God.

And this is a tough call for you?

Did these eyewitness events occur or not? Were Mesquite citizens put at risk or not? What is the City’s response to these reports and what is the City’s position on armed militias camped out across the river? Is there a plan of action for the future? What steps are you taking to protect Mesquite’s reputation as a safe golf, gaming and retirement community? How do you feel about the rule of the law, the U.S. Constitution and your oath of office?

It is with bated breath that I, and other residents, will attend tonight’s Mesquite City Council meeting to hear if there is any official statement from the City, or if our elected officials will continue to hide their heads in the sand and pretend this national news story isn’t happening.


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Old 04-25-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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"Clueless"? Bundy had been paying grazing fees since 1986, when Reagan signed the executive order 12548 -Grazing Fees. Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees

Bundy stopped paying grazing fees in 1993, so yes he did pay for 7 years.

BLM was there to remove cattle per court order. That is pretty clear in the documents.

Bundys 5 minutes of fame are way over, except for the slower people in the class. Even many conservative talk shows and politicians are running away from him now!
Maybe not.....

BLM: We are Worried Cliven Bundy Might Have Prescriptive Rights & He Might Use that Defense in Court .. By Ben Swann | Save America Foundation
 
Old 04-25-2014, 02:03 PM
 
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The poster wrote about "Freedoms", not privileges. Slaves never had freedoms and privileges were far and few.
Harry Reid is playing Favors and Slanders, is he not?
 
Old 04-25-2014, 02:06 PM
 
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Nobody was ran out of Bunkerville. The BLM left to prevent the situation with the militants from escalating into a bad situation. What did they 'win'? Bundy's 5 minutes of fame are done, done, done.

Even the conservative talk shows, politicians are done with Bundy! Only the Sheeple are following him now. I am sure the Feds have liened everything he has or will have in the future. He made his bed and this is where it is.
Any links about the liens you claim???
 
Old 04-25-2014, 02:15 PM
 
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I stopped reading right away:

In this ongoing story surrounding cattle rancher Cliven Bundy, there are a series of questions media has ignored. For instance, in the 20 years Bundy hasn’t been paying his fees, why hasn’t he been taken to court?
 
Old 04-25-2014, 02:29 PM
 
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I made it a little further...... But that line about not been to court is very funny. Quality journalism. The rest is all about what ifs and maybes.

Nice article!
It goes into more detail.

Prescriptive rights was my interest.
 
Old 04-25-2014, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The cluelessness in this post is astounding.

What is the logic? Oh, gee, how about the fact that his family homesteaded that land since the 1870s, before the BLM ever moved in on it in 1993. Bundy has refused to pay those fees from the start.

Having a politician stating that protestors are "domestic terrorists" is MOST DEFINITELY my definition of "them against us".

They took some of his cattle to pay for the bill. They had weapons. How the hell can you sit there, with a straight face, and say there weren't armed people there to collect on the bill?

Keep your head in the sand, apparently it's comfortable there.
Bundy's family did not graze cattle on this land until 1954.

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Clark County records show that Cliven Bundy’s parents bought his ‘ancestral’ 160 acre ranch in 1948, and didn’t start grazing cattle on the adjacent federal lands until 1954. Prior to that, they lived in Arizona. Bundy himself was born in 1946.

Bundy did pay grazing fees until 1993.
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According to court records, his father grazed cattle for several years in the Bunkerville Allotment, then stopped. Then presumably Bundy himself resumed in 1973, paying the required fees until 1993 when he stopped paying but kept grazing.
Cliven Bundy is a seditious liar, not a patriot

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Old 04-25-2014, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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"Clueless"? Bundy had been paying grazing fees since 1986, when Reagan signed the executive order 12548 -Grazing Fees. Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees

Bundy stopped paying grazing fees in 1993, so yes he did pay for 7 years.

BLM was there to remove cattle per court order. That is pretty clear in the documents.

Bundys 5 minutes of fame are way over, except for the slower people in the class. Even many conservative talk shows and politicians are running away from him now!
Bundy is stating that he would pay the fees to the proper government, in this case, the state of Nevada, NOT the Feds. You do realize the difference between states and Federal government, right?

Yes, the cattle were removed...and where did those cattle go? WHERE did those cattle go? When you answer that question, next ask yourself WHY did those cattle go where they go? It sure as hell wasn't for a nice weekend retreat.

The "running away" that you're talking about was due to CNN totally smashing a **** poor editing together on their video claiming Bundy is racist. When you watch the actual full video, you see, in its entirety, what Bundy was saying...which, again, has been lost on the left.
 
Old 04-26-2014, 07:49 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Bundy is stating that he would pay the fees to the proper government, in this case, the state of Nevada, NOT the Feds. You do realize the difference between states and Federal government, right?

Yes, the cattle were removed...and where did those cattle go? WHERE did those cattle go? When you answer that question, next ask yourself WHY did those cattle go where they go? It sure as hell wasn't for a nice weekend retreat.

The "running away" that you're talking about was due to CNN totally smashing a **** poor editing together on their video claiming Bundy is racist. When you watch the actual full video, you see, in its entirety, what Bundy was saying...which, again, has been lost on the left.

They were going to have to shoot and bury all the 400 head of cattle, because no one in the nation was going to buy them.... NO ONE!
Why?? All because of Branding laws, and auction houses refusing to run them through any sale.
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