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Irrelevant speculation with a proviso as big as all outdoors "...without the go-ahead from the South Korean government...").
You like Kim the movie star, bily4? Wouldn't want to see a regime change there?
What on earth makes you think the Bush administration would ask for any "go-ahead" from South Korea?
Obviously the Koreans feel it is a legitimate scenario or they wouldn't bother asking the question. If you have been to South Korea any time recently, there is a pretty prevalent anti-American sentiment there.
Sure if Kim leaves that would be nice for his own people. I wish them all the best. Or are you asking... should the United States precipitate that in some way? I personally think that would be a bit rash and ill advised, especially in lieu of our current military being stretched as it is. I think trying to maintain constructive dialogue with North Korea and regional leaders is a very nice idea.
What on earth makes you think the Bush administration would ask for any "go-ahead" from South Korea?
Common sense.
Obviously the Koreans feel it is a legitimate scenario or they wouldn't bother asking the question. If you have been to South Korea any time recently, there is a pretty prevalent anti-American sentiment there.
I've been to Korea many times. The current President foolishly ran on a platform of anti-Americanism, and that hasn't helped. Many of the more prosperous young people ARE punks. But many come here to study....
Sure if Kim leaves that would be nice for his own people. I wish them all the best. Or are you asking... should the United States precipitate that in some way? I personally think that would be a bit rash and ill advised, especially in lieu of our current military being stretched as it is. I think trying to maintain constructive dialogue with North Korea and regional leaders is a very nice idea.
A constructive dialogue with North Korea, the Hermit Kingdom. What a novel idea. Let us know when that looks likely.
You like Kim the movie star, bily4? Wouldn't want to see a regime change there?
Like the war boosters on Fox back in '02-'03, "You don't want to see regime change in Iraq? You love Saddam? You think he's just great, don't you, and you probably wish George W. could be just like him cause you hate America so much, you Baathist sympathizer, Jane Fonda would be proud of you libs, even your lib idol Hillary Clinton is going for it, what does that say about you, you pacifist Chamberlain appeaser?"
In the end, the boosters turned out to be totally right, as Iraq was liberated from Saddam, who possessed massive stocks of nuclear and chemical weapons stashed throughout his palace in every corner, and the Iraqis were blessed with an effective and competent democracy of civic-minded, non-sectarian representatives who quickly brought peace, electricity, and running water throughout the land and endeavored to travel on Diplomatic Democracy missions to bring human rights and prosperity to Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, with minimal casualties throughout the whole affair, as should be obvious to anyone who reads the Weekly Standard or Commentary, aka "the real news."
Like the war boosters on Fox back in '02-'03, "You don't want to see regime change in Iraq? You love Saddam? You think he's just great, don't you, and you probably wish George W. could be just like him cause you hate America so much, you Baathist sympathizer, Jane Fonda would be proud of you libs, even your lib idol Hillary Clinton is going for it, what does that say about you, you pacifist Chamberlain appeaser?"
But you seem to be suggesting that a "regime change" war in Korea would be a good idea, and that bily4 is a Kim Jong Il sympathizer for not thinking so.
But you seem to be suggesting that a "regime change" war in Korea would be a good idea, and that bily4 is a Kim Jong Il sympathizer for not thinking so.
I think a regime change (no quotes) in North Korea would be a good idea, yes. Don't you?
And I asked bily4 if he liked Kim Jong Il. A question is not a suggestion.
I think it would be a great idea, as long as we don't violently initiate it and as long as what comes after is significantly better than what was there before. If there's some kind of popular pro-democracy uprising then good for them, but if we go in and try to tear down what's there and give them one, we could easily subject them to another indefinitely long Iraq-style counterinsurgency war, with a likely matchup of "America vs. the general North Korean population."
I think it would be a great idea, as long as we don't violently initiate it and as long as what comes after is significantly better than what was there before. If there's some kind of popular pro-democracy uprising then good for them, but if we go in and try to tear down what's there and give them one, we could easily subject them to another indefinitely long Iraq-style counterinsurgency war, with a likely matchup of "America vs. the general North Korean population."
It's hard to say. It's been so long since the North Koreans have had access to the outside world that they may very well be in the throes of a collective social psychosis. The experience of the Germans in trying to rehabilitate the "Osties" was very tough for a while. It is only lately that the hard feelings are fading.
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