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Old 04-28-2014, 02:03 PM
 
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How? In what way does people no longer getting hung or jailed for being gay have a negative effect on you? Or any effect at all, for that matter. I support gay marriage not because it has a positive effect on me but because it will make other people's lives better

People are already losing their jobs and businesses if they dare try to hold onto their religious freedom and speak out against gay marriage. That's just the beginning. The gay culture will become closely ingrained into every facet of society or else, they will ring the discrimination bell. That affects a Christian negatively from a spiritual and mental perspective.

Should I get fired from a job 10 years from now because an employer found out that I was not pro-gay from old facebook posts or such? A similar thing happened to Paula Deen. This is the direction our country is going so stop pretending that legalization of gay marriage has no affect on straight people.
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:11 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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People are already losing their jobs and businesses if they dare try to hold onto their religious freedom and speak out against gay marriage. That's just the beginning. The gay culture will become closely ingrained into every facet of society or else, they will ring the discrimination bell. That affects a Christian negatively from a spiritual and mental perspective.

Should I get fired from a job 10 years from now because an employer found out that I was not pro-gay from old facebook posts or such? A similar thing happened to Paula Deen. This is the direction our country is going so stop pretending that legalization of gay marriage has no affect on straight people.
People said the same thing about integration, don't worry. It'll happen if you give your approval or not. Progress marches on.
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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People said the same thing about integration, don't worry. It'll happen if you give your approval or not. Progress marches on.

Progress towards immorality is not progress.
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:58 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Progress towards immorality is not progress.
Again, heard the same things before. Just know that you'll be on the losing side of history once again. Human rights will trump bigotry as it always does, eventually.
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:02 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Again, heard the same things before. Just know that you'll be on the losing side of history once again. Human rights will trump bigotry as it always does, eventually.
Why does the left call everything and everyone who has a different perspective "bigotry"? I thought you're all for tolerance and valuing differences. Does that just apply to others, but not to you?
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Omaha/Lincoln, NE
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Progress towards immorality is not progress.
why do you get to define immorality, though? somebody probably thinks something that you do is immoral (heck, when it comes to it, there's probably those that think that being religious is immoral...I don't think that, but food of thought). Also, what do you care if somebody does do something immoral? It makes no difference in your life. If you don't like it, ignore it.
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Why does the left call everything and everyone who has a different perspective "bigotry"? I thought you're all for tolerance and valuing differences. Does that just apply to others, but not to you?
Everything and everyone? A bit of a generalized statement.
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:23 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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why do you get to define immorality, though? somebody probably thinks something that you do is immoral (heck, when it comes to it, there's probably those that think that being religious is immoral...I don't think that, but food of thought). Also, what do you care if somebody does do something immoral? It makes no difference in your life. If you don't like it, ignore it.
Well, without getting too far into a complex discussion, I'd say that, yes, we could ignore it. Until, as another poster said, it affects us and our lives, which is happening more and more these days:

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People are already losing their jobs and businesses if they dare try to hold onto their religious freedom and speak out against gay marriage. That's just the beginning. The gay culture will become closely ingrained into every facet of society or else, they will ring the discrimination bell. That affects a Christian negatively from a spiritual and mental perspective.

Should I get fired from a job 10 years from now because an employer found out that I was not pro-gay from old facebook posts or such? A similar thing happened to Paula Deen. This is the direction our country is going so stop pretending that legalization of gay marriage has no affect on straight people.
You see, we can't just live according to our principles and beliefs even while we might like to "live and let live." We're asked to put them aside, and embrace yours, immoral as they may be in our system of faith. That's trampling on our freedom of religion and requiring us to accept that which is unacceptable.

Why do we get to define immorality? What peope think doesn't matter. It's been defined by God. Whether you believe there is a God or not, that is where my definition of morality/immorality comes from. Therefore, I have not usurped YOUR right to define it for yourself. I simply accept God's right to define it, and he's a few pegs higher than any of us, if you know what I mean.
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:25 PM
 
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why do you get to define immorality, though? somebody probably thinks something that you do is immoral (heck, when it comes to it, there's probably those that think that being religious is immoral...I don't think that, but food of thought). Also, what do you care if somebody does do something immoral? It makes no difference in your life. If you don't like it, ignore it.

I could easily turn it around on you. Why do you get to define immorality? And let's be clear, this isn't a case of my side defining a moral standard. It's a case of your side RE-defining and changing a moral stance that has been in place since the foundation of our country.


Legalization of gay marriage will drastically change society, and that affects everyone. So you are wrong. It will make a difference in my life.
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Well, without getting too far into a complex discussion, I'd say that, yes, we could ignore it. Until, as another poster said, it affects us and our lives, which is happening more and more these days:



You see, we can't just live according to our principles and beliefs even while we might like to "live and let live." We're asked to put them aside, and embrace yours, immoral as they may be in our system of faith. That's trampling on our freedom of religion and requiring us to accept that which is unacceptable.

Why do we get to define immorality? What peope think doesn't matter. It's been defined by God. Whether you believe there is a God or not, that is where my definition of morality/immorality comes from. Therefore, I have not usurped YOUR right to define it for yourself. I simply accept God's right to define it, and he's a few pegs higher than any of us, if you know what I mean.
Interesting, my definition of morality doesn't come from any god, nor does it deny others rights that I have.
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