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Because again, the real universe is nuanced and it's never "either/or." The primary affect of voter ID laws is not to insure Voters are eligible, but to deny the franchise to significant numbers of eligible voters in a non random and partisan way.
The harm that Voter ID laws cause far exceed the alleged intended benefit.
Yes. There are.
And if there was evidence that these rules were resulting in significant voter fraud, then they would be worthy of adjustment.
No such evidence appears to exist.
Let me ask you something and be honest. Do you think it is okay that an illegal citizen in this country can vote?
"An Arkansas judge declared the state’s new voter identification law unconstitutional on Thursday since it stipulates that voters must meet an additional requirement before casting a ballot.
Pulaski County Circuit Court Judge Tim Fox called the law, which calls for voters to show photo identification cards, “void and unenforceable.”
Maybe instead of working so hard to disenfranchise voters that might vote for their opposition, the GOP could work on offering some ideas that would attract those voters to their side?
I have a better idea. Make Placing an illegal vote a felony that is punished by 10 years in prison, no time off for good behavior, and while in prison, you are required to work on local farms if there are any, or perform day labor to cover the expenses of their being in jail, in every state.
An illegal vote would be voting as a non citizen, or voting more than one single time, for any election, city/state/federal.
If the argument to vote and not pay to obtain ID held any validity, then the very same "right" to bear arms would also not mandate ID nor have fees associated with obtaining a permit.
Asked and answered.
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Most of us undrestand the reference.. you however, need it explained.
I fully understood the reference. I just consider it to be bull****. Again, I have to remember who I am arguing with. Subtlety is not a conservative virtue.
Because again, the real universe is nuanced and it's never "either/or." The primary affect of voter ID laws is not to insure Voters are eligible, but to deny the franchise to significant numbers of eligible voters in a non random and partisan way.
The harm that Voter ID laws cause far exceed the alleged intended benefit.
Yes. There are.
And if there was evidence that these rules were resulting in significant voter fraud, then they would be worthy of adjustment.
No such evidence appears to exist.
But isn't that an issue? As it stands now, the way voter registration does not require proof of citizenship, and thus negates the ability to prove voter fraud. I think the argument that voting is such an important right is reason enough to ensure we protect the voting process from being subverted.
Actually, requiring voter ID has been held up time and again as not being an onerous requirement on the citizenry when reasonable accommodations for poor, rural, and/or those not born at hospitals are either unable or find it difficult to obtain ID. I know my own state, SC, faced these charges by the DOJ that voter ID would disenfranchise certain segments of the population and since our law allows from accommodation for those voters, Federal courts ruled this was not an unreasonable requirement. The simple requirement of voter ID does not necessarily disenfranchise everyone - it's all in the execution of that requirement.
Still, from my common sense point of view, it does not seem like a bad idea to protect our voting process by both requiring people to prove citizenship and identity. Must be why poll after poll supports voter ID.
If the argument to vote and not pay to obtain ID held any validity, then the very same "right" to bear arms would also not mandate ID nor have fees associated with obtaining a permit.
Most of us understand the reference.. you however, need it explained.
The key point in this, is that corrupt, lying politicians want as many people voting as possible, how many people own guns is of zero concern.
An ignorant, easily manipulated electorate, who only pay attention days or hours before an election, that's what the corrupt, propagandist politicians want.
Based on all the available evidence (and there is a lot of it), no. That is not an issue.
Really. It's not.
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