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Yeah that would not be. Why? because they would understand that there is not "our" abuse of a right, just a few people who`s actions should be punished and not the vast majority of people punished for their crimes by losing our rights..
Yeah dates change, human nature, liberty, and our right to it does not change.
It should be written the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, any laws that are drafted or passed that do are null and void, and any person who voted in favor of said act and or law should be kicked for office and bared from hold office for life.
How could they? They haven't seen a democratic society as there was none at the time and Ancient Greece was two millenniums apart. They didn't know any better.
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There would never have been a 2nd amendment if they knew the consequences in the future.
There would never have been a 2nd amendment if they knew the consequences in the future.
They knew that people would abuse their rights, and they knew those who seek power would use those people and their actions as a excuse to strip the whole body of the people of their rights.
They would also that thvies would still steal, rapist would still rape, murders would still murder and tyrants and their armies would take by force and the threat of it..
They knew such things would happen because they understood that human nature and the nature of government never changes.
Again, for my educationally challenged interlocutors here: the governments our Founding Fathers knew and feared were absolutist, conservative monarchies of the time, where royal subjects were not governed but ruled by their monarchs and had little or no say over any laws or policies enacted by their kings. This is what our Founding Fathers meant when they voiced their concerns about governmental tyranny. That's what they knew first hand having lived all their lives under British Crow and it's tyranny.
Obviously, this has little bearing on democratically elected governments which the citizens can always change through democratic elections or an impeachment process that is available. There is no need for revolts or resistance as there is a democratic process to address any grievances. There is no ruthless and tyrannical king, there is only a democratically elected president, democratically elected congressmen and appointed Supreme Court judges. There are no dynasties. Vote for someone that you like and be happy. And if you don't like our system then move somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by gunlover
They knew that people would abuse their rights, and they knew those who seek power would use those people and their actions as a excuse to strip the whole body of the people of their rights.
They would also that thvies would still steal, rapist would still rape, murders would still murder and tyrants and their armies would take by force and the threat of it..
They knew such things would happen because they understood that human nature and the nature of government never changes.
How could they? They haven't seen a democratic society as there was none at the time and Ancient Greece was two millenniums apart. They didn't know any better.
They did know better, they made us a Republic based on set upon a Constitution.
By the way.
So disarming and murdering Mormons was not a tyrannical act because it was a law or rule that "society" has agreed upon?
Again, for my educationally challenged interlocutors here: the governments our Founding Fathers new were absolutist, conservative monarchies, were royal subjects had little say over any laws or policies introduced by their kings. This is what they meant when they voiced their concerns about governmental tyranny. Obviously, this has little bearing on democratically elected governments which the citizens can always change through election or an impeachment process that is available. There is no need for revolts or resistance as there is a democratic process to address any grievances. There is no ruthless and tyrannical king, there is only a democratically elected president, democratically elected congressmen and appointed Supreme Court judges. There are no dynasties, vote for someone that you like and be happy. And if you don't like our system then move somewhere else.
The fact that you think that our system could never lead to tyranny or in its current form become tyrannical is just dumbfounding.
But then again coming from a man who does not think murdering Mormons is ok because a law says it is ok would have such views..
No I like this nation, its Constitution, its values, its culture, and its people.
Again, for my educationally challenged interlocutors here: the governments our Founding Fathers knew and feared were absolutist, conservative monarchies of the time, where royal subjects were not governed but ruled by their monarchs and had little or no say over any laws or policies enacted by their kings. This is what our Founding Fathers meant when they voiced their concerns about governmental tyranny. That's what they knew first hand having lived all their lives under British Crow and it's tyranny.
Obviously, this has little bearing on democratically elected governments which the citizens can always change through democratic elections or an impeachment process that is available. There is no need for revolts or resistance as there is a democratic process to address any grievances. There is no ruthless and tyrannical king, there is only a democratically elected president, democratically elected congressmen and appointed Supreme Court judges. There are no dynasties. Vote for someone that you like and be happy. And if you don't like our system then move somewhere else.
So your argument is that we no longer need the 2A? Good. Go change it then. Until then, we have a right to keep and bear arms. Get used to it.
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