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Old 04-28-2014, 11:28 AM
 
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Well then you would just watch all the Red States suffer the most, good luck making that happen though, those Red State politicians don't want to lose their gravy train.
How much land does Federal government own in Red States?

What's the cost of managing those lands?

Who do they rely/pay to provide help where they can't manage?

Has anyone ever thought about all the land feds own and not the states?

 
Old 04-28-2014, 11:33 AM
 
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I want to go further on this. Don't move to Hawaii and then try to change it to be like where you came from on the mainland.
See it would take this person 2 yrs before they could even think about it. Protected either way!

We had a ski resort trying to open in our area. Liberals moved here and tried to change "historic mountain" names. Wanted to change names of the towns, didn't fit their idea of a resort town.
 
Old 04-28-2014, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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How much land does Federal government own in Red States?

What's the cost of managing those lands?

Who do they rely/pay to provide help where they can't manage?

Has anyone ever thought about all the land feds own and not the states?
You do know how the federal government acquired the land they have, right? During the migration west, the federal government sold plots of land to anyone buying, the land left over was land no one wanted to buy, thus left the federal government to be owners of those lands.

This isn't some red state/blue state conspiracy.
 
Old 04-28-2014, 12:14 PM
 
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Only for schools and that is to be able to provide equality to all schools regardless of their economic status.
That means schools in poor rural districts get a bit extra money to spend on technology/equipment that they couldn't afford otherwise.

Only the ISD portion of your property taxes goes to round robin school funding.
The other 5 taxing entities are for the services the residents want in their local community.
This is Austin taxes (travis county).

ISD taxes are less than 1/2 of what residents pay and then only a portion is put into the round robin fund.
Funding schools takes the biggest portion of taxes. The state also collects sales taxes and other taxes that can be redistributed to the poorer counties. Its probably not as dramatic in Texas as in Washington where three Democrat counties are carrying the water for the rest of the Republican counties.

Sales Tax Plan Would Redefine School District Wealth | The Texas Tribune
 
Old 04-28-2014, 04:52 PM
 
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You do know how the federal government acquired the land they have, right? During the migration west, the federal government sold plots of land to anyone buying, the land left over was land no one wanted to buy, thus left the federal government to be owners of those lands.

This isn't some red state/blue state conspiracy.
The government also passed the Homestead Law which Bundy claims to have been on that land before this law was out in place.

HOMESTEAD LAW ACT of 1862
Settlers found land and staked their claims, usually in individual family units, although others formed closer knit communities. Often, the homestead consisted of several buildings or structures besides the main house.

DESERT ACT 1877

March 3, 1877 to encourage and promote the economic development of the arid and semiarid public lands of the Western states. Through the Act, individuals may apply for a desert-land entry to reclaim, irrigate, and cultivate arid and semiarid public lands. This act amended the Homestead Act (1862). Originally the act offered 640 acres (2.6 km2), although currently only 320 acres may be claimed.

Seems under usual circumstances this would all fall under the "grandfather Clause"

Sounds like the government has a history of broken treaties or decides not to follow through with promises. Certainly when they decide the land is worth something.....to pay for their debt!
 
Old 04-29-2014, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Funding schools takes the biggest portion of taxes. The state also collects sales taxes and other taxes that can be redistributed to the poorer counties. Its probably not as dramatic in Texas as in Washington where three Democrat counties are carrying the water for the rest of the Republican counties.

Sales Tax Plan Would Redefine School District Wealth | The Texas Tribune
Not in all areas of Texas.
In Austin the city/county take the biggest portion..over 60%.
Austin has 6 taxing entities and only 1 is the ISD.
 
Old 04-29-2014, 08:22 AM
 
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You do know how the federal government acquired the land they have, right? During the migration west, the federal government sold plots of land to anyone buying, the land left over was land no one wanted to buy, thus left the federal government to be owners of those lands.

This isn't some red state/blue state conspiracy.
Didn't think it was, try broken agreements! All three ACTS should have given the Bundy's rights until the last family member dies.


Seems the government Harry Reid needs this land.......think most are just pissed this is a "white mormon man!"
 
Old 04-29-2014, 08:39 AM
 
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Red States need to adopt income tax and stop sticking it to their lower income residents through sales and property taxes. Property taxes are skyrocketing in every state but income tax hits the upper echelons as it should. Flattens out the tax burdens across all income levels.

California's credit rating was increased from additional revenue raise through the income tax. Illinois needs to get its fiscal house in order as well. Hopefully they will realize that a large state can't survive on 5% flat income tax.
 
Old 04-29-2014, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Red States need to adopt income tax and stop sticking it to their lower income residents through sales and property taxes. Property taxes are skyrocketing in every state but income tax hits the upper echelons as it should. Flattens out the tax burdens across all income levels.

California's credit rating was increased from additional revenue raise through the income tax. Illinois needs to get its fiscal house in order as well. Hopefully they will realize that a large state can't survive on 5% flat income tax.
Not true..property taxes are local to the community.

I moved from a high tax area to a lower tax area and my property taxes are 1/3 of what I used to pay.
People are demanding services (hospital districts, community college districts, more police/fire, better schools, green technology) and taxes are how they need to be paid for. They want their potholes filled in immediately. They want technology in their children's schools. They want rapid transit, metro rail and bus service all over the city. That's fine but don't complain that your taxes went up.

When the people vote for the city to build affordable housing the city has to take out a loan (bonds).
The residents are responsible for paying it back via their property taxes.

You cannot have everything you want without having to pay for it.
 
Old 04-29-2014, 08:47 AM
 
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Not true..property taxes are local to the community.

I moved from a high tax area to a lower tax area and my property taxes are 1/3 of what I used to pay.
People are demanding services (hospital districts, community college districts, more police/fire, better schools, green technology) and taxes are how they need to be paid for. They want their potholes filled in immediately. They want technology in their children's schools. They want rapid transit, metro rail and bus service all over the city. That's fine but don't complain that your taxes went up.

When the people vote for the city to build affordable housing the city has to take out a loan (bonds).
The residents are responsible for paying it back via their property taxes.

You cannot have everything you want without having to pay for it.
I agree 100%.

I never complain about state and local taxes. It is the Fed Income Tax that annoys me, because I'm single and still don't make a high salary.
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