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Old 05-01-2014, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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Caused by Liberal policies.



Because of Liberal policies.



And they impressed the holy hell out of me by rising to the occasion, right?

Not.

I guess it's a good thing all of the so-called self-proclaimed Black "leaders" guided the people into re-building the city into something good.



Uh, no, people are not obligated to fund your hallucinatory fantasy utopia.

If you want to hand out needles and condoms and feed the alcoholics and drug addicts who you claim are "homeless" then you take your money and do it on your time...

...you don't take my money and then scream about how righteous you are.



Then that would be the death knell for Wayne County.

Yeah, let's burden successful people with abject failures.



They certainly have no intelligence.



...Tax and Spend Liberal policies.

The first order of business in any municipality is Security...first and foremost, always and forever. The second priority is fire. The 3rd priority is safety. After that, drinking water, sewage treatment, garbage removal and infrastructure.

Once you have achieved an A+ Rating in those 7 Fundamentals of Municipal Operation, then you may start thinking about things like throwing away money handing out condoms and needles, and drug treatment and feeding and housing the homeless and feel-good money and giving pay raises to council members and nice cushy union government employee pension plans and all the other Liberal nonsense.

Municipally...

Mircea
Please give us a detailed report on what liberal polices you are talking about.
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:28 AM
 
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Look's like there actually are liberal cities, and they are going to be the prosperous centers that will institute new progressive policies while drinking-up everyone elses milkshake.
Will Liberal Cities leave the Rest of America Behind? - NY Times

And Detroit, along with the other cities and rural areas that have failed to innovate, embrace education, and creatives aren't "liberal."
Believe you misunderstand. It was the imposement of Liberal policies upon Detroit, NY (take a look at the Bronx) and what they did to the economic and social welfare of their citizens.
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:30 AM
 
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No, the people of Detroit and city government owns they debt... they created it.....they are responsible for it.



By any objective measure it is.



And Liberals own everyone of them.



Detroit will never rebound until it rejects Liberal ideology.



The city will never be rebuilt economically. They'll stay with the same failed Liberal policies that got them into this mess in the first place.

If it was up to me, Chapter 9 would be just like Chapter 11.

A court-appointed receiver would assume control of the city and run the city until it was out of the red and into the black.

In the mean time....no elections.

The court-appointed receiver would slash the budget, terminate all contract, dump the unions and fire all city employees....as it should be.



But, of course! Liberals live in an Ivory Tower and don't understand reality.



It has everything to do with Liberal politics.

It was Johnson's Grotesque Society, coupled with high taxation, unionization, corrupt government, corrupt unions and a stupid electorate that killed Detroit. Johnson's Grotesque Society, high taxation and unions only gutted other cities.

Oppressive government regulations, high taxation and unions drove the Textile Industry out of New England.

Oppressive government regulations, high taxation and unions drove the Manufacturing Industry out of the Midwest, and yes that includes both Michigan and Detroit.

Just as soon as you gain the courage to come out of your Ivory Tower, you'll see things more clearly.

Historically...

Mircea

Concur 100% and then some. Well said.
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:32 AM
 
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The original conservative "business" policy was slavery itself - which they now would like to revive, since conservative "businessmen" have discovered it in foreign countries. Yeah, you outsourced it. Under slavery, conservatives gladly broke up black families for their bottom line - which they would do again if they have their way. Right-To-Work-for-less money and less regulation is the first step in that direction. Places like Bangladesh and Red China are the ideal neocon societies. These policies are what put the Walmart working class on "welfare".
So here are your conservative "clients of the system":
Think by Numbers » Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs
Nope, y'all love welfare for people who don't need it. Explain why these people should not "bootstrap" themselves like you demand of the lower classes.

And in this "post racial" society, the right wing codewords continue on.

Why do y'all right-wing outsiders "know so much" about Detroit? Oh yeah, Fox.
The "politics" you claim to know about were a two-way street between city and suburb. The rest is just fascist Fox faith-based but self-gratifying talking points parroted yet again.

A "post racial" society with all this right-wing codespeak? "Cold hard facts" are your least concern.

Appaling Apolgist. No solutions, only the clarion call of victimhood.
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:35 AM
 
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Oh the poor blameless CEOs "victimized" by their own lowly workers. OK, y'all labor-hating righties just stick to those fascist Roger Ailes scripts no matter what.

I think you look, that VERY few conservatives support the outrageous perks and saleries that CEOs get. it is disgusting. However, the reallocation of wealth to those who don't earn it would be far worse. Communism never works, and Socialism works only if the population is gift with talent and no large 'underclass' of less motivated people. Compare Germany and Sweden to Portugal or Poland.
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:38 AM
 
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It had a lot less to do with liberal politics than you think actually (although much of the movement of industry had to do with the fact that the VAST majority of new deal, and WWII money went to the sunbelt, in the form of new factories and construction, etc"). But to an extent you are right about the fact that the greedy owners were not willing to pay a fair tax, and have reasonable regulations, and so they left for the craziest of the crazy states *cough Texas*(much of the growth there was from the oil industry there. Also, the abandonment of cities had more to do with a pull factor to the suburbs, and any push factor from urban areas had more to do with the fact that cities at the time were often VERY crowded and dirty. Trust me, you're the one stuck in the Ivy tower blaming all the world's problems on liberalism.
You may very well be the problem. A liberal who refuses to accept accountability for horrific policies that has so weakened our nation.

Start practicing critical thinking. This will help you.
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Old 05-02-2014, 11:12 AM
 
Location: west mich
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I think you look, that VERY few conservatives support the outrageous perks and saleries that CEOs get. it is disgusting. However, the reallocation of wealth to those who don't earn it would be far worse. Communism never works, and Socialism works only if the population is gift with talent and no large 'underclass' of less motivated people. Compare Germany and Sweden to Portugal or Poland.
I never said anything about CEO perks and salaries, which con-servatives never criticize BTW - in fact the opposite. According to RW media, they "earn" their bloated salaries because they are "more talented" and "work harder" than anybody else. Here's another news flash for you - with their golden parachutes, unavailable to the "riffraff", corporate managers have actually learned how to make themselves wealthy by raiding worker pensions destroying their own companies.

Y'all righties incessantly complain about "wealth redistribution" but you love it funneled to the silk-stocking upper crust. And you bring up Germany with its mandated policy of workers sitting on corporate boards and its "socialized medicine"?

America's growing "underclass" is a result of con-servative trickle-down and congressional obstructionism, not "lazy workers". This is just that old dumb RW claim that there are plenty of jobs available and minority Detroit citizens just "don't want to work", even though thousands show up for any job opening. Obviously you know zilch about Detroit, but proudly parrot your Fox-derived opinions anyway.

Pretty cushy in that RW bubble eh?

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Old 05-02-2014, 11:19 AM
 
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Believe you misunderstand. It was the imposement of Liberal policies upon Detroit, NY (take a look at the Bronx) and what they did to the economic and social welfare of their citizens.
Giant concentrations of poverty with inept governments and little in the way of educational, cultural or philanthropic infrastructure are not "imposement of Liberal policies." The engine of our economy is innovation and that innovation is happening in these supposed squaled liberal cities that OP and yourself seem to be ignoring.
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Old 05-02-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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I never said anything about CEO perks and salaries, which con-servatives never criticize BTW - in fact the opposite. According to RW media, they "earn" their bloated salaries because they are "more talented" and "work harder" than anybody else. Here's another news flash for you - with their golden parachutes, unavailable to the "riffraff", corporate managers have actually learned how to make themselves wealthy by destroying their own companies.

Y'all righties incessantly complain about "wealth redistribution" but you love it funneled to the silk-stocking upper crust. And you bring up Germany with its mandated policy of workers sitting on corporate boards and its "socialized medicine"?

America's growing "underclass" is a result of con-servative trickle-down and congressional obstructionism, not "lazy workers". This is just that old dumb RW claim that there are plenty of jobs available and minority Detroit citizens just "don't want to work", even though thousands show up for any job opening. Obviously you know zilch about Detroit, but proudly parrot your Fox-derived opinions anyway.

Pretty cushy in that RW bubble eh?
I grew up quite poor (1 of 5 kids in a tenament building in the Bronx), watched my neighborhood change for the worse to to Liberal largess, earned an education after serving as an EM in the Army, went to college, and through the years, earned a decent wage. I have zero in common with the thieves of Wall Street. I loathe the Bast..ds that created the great recession.

It would be wise not to dump all conservatives into one barrel. I differentate with liberals, some just follow the liberal line because it was the mental path of least resistence, while others are true idologues.

If I make spelling mistakes or have breaks in sentences, it is becuse I am legally blind.
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Old 05-02-2014, 11:44 AM
 
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Giant concentrations of poverty with inept governments and little in the way of educational, cultural or philanthropic infrastructure are not "imposement of Liberal policies." The engine of our economy is innovation and that innovation is happening in these supposed squaled liberal cities that OP and yourself seem to be ignoring.
And why to Liberals so oppose innovation? Because it almost always increases the wealth of those who do it, and many innovators are not minorities. So, it is the bad white people band wagon again.
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