City of Minneapolis replaces Columbus Day with "Indigenous Peoples Day" (middle east, border)
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I wonder if we would be having this controversy if FDR, when he was vying for the Italian vote, had called the new national holiday: Amerigo Vespucci day or John Cabot day or Giovanni Verrazano day.
I'm even Italian... and I've got no problem with this.
In parts of NY it was more just a fun time for Catholic church gambling, bazaars, food fairs, etc.
Growing up in a melting pot you just see it all, I really don't see how it matters, in the big picture.
Don't you think that 77 years of celebrating the ethic cleansing that occurred here, in the interest of establishing the states that eventually became our nation, is enough? Or is your point that ethnic cleansing is a good thing, as long as it clears the way for the ethnicities you like to prevail? Or are you in the camp that refuses to admit the truth, and thereby deny that what happened here was indeed systematic forced removal of the pre-Columbian nations from these territories with the intent of creating territories inhabited by people of mostly European extraction, and of mostly Christian persuasion?
Since every country on the face of globe came into being through a military conquest maybe the whole world should shrivel up and walk with their tales between their legs. There may be a few exceptions but all countries have there thing. What about the Arab conquests? Do Arabs feel guilty about conquering all those Berbers in North Africa and all the rest of the people that they conquered. No. They still want to conquer the whole world and put in under Islam. So why should I feel guilty if my racial ancestors conquered some country some where. Or are only Europeans supposed to feel guilty?
I will add: If you are of European descent then I hope you leave the U.S. and go somewhere else being that you feel the way you feel.
My preference is to eliminate these 'recognition' holidays altogether and treat that Monday just like any other day.
[like the day before and the day after]
We need holidays; every culture has them. It's a major leaf-peeping day (weekend) in the northeast. For all I care, it could be called "Harvest Day" or some such.
Face it, bUU, if it's American, wholesome, patriotic, historic, traditional, etc., you don't like it and think those who do should be denied it.
Face it, Curmudgeon, you're spewing nonsense whenever you try to talk about people you don't know, in a vacuously lame attempt to deflect attention away from points you don't like but for which cannot construct a reasonable or legitimate rebuttal.
This lame attempt at deflection of yours takes the cake: We're talking about one holiday that celebrates an Italian-born explorer, sailing under contract from the Spanish crown, establishing a Spanish colony, and several Christian holidays, and you try to excrete an assertion that those things are in some way patriotic America. I don't think I've seen you post a more ridiculous bit of claptrap.
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Originally Posted by nickerman
Since every country on the face of globe came into being through a military conquest maybe the whole world should shrivel up and walk with their tales between their legs.
It isn't about "shriveling up". It is about no longer celebrating the barbaric manner in which human civilization used to conduct itself.
I understand where the counter-argument comes from, at least generally: There is a vocal contingent of antisocial partisans in our country who pine for barbarism - long for a society where they and their guns and their self-serving avarice can exploit those most vulnerable in society to foster their own personal comfort and luxury. For the last generation they've been working to regress society, undercut a century of progress for women, for minorities, and for the poor. They wish to reverse our nation's growing social maturity because they feel that they would personally benefit from being able to practice callous disregard for others with relative impunity.
Since every country on the face of globe came into being through a military conquest maybe the whole world should shrivel up and walk with their tales between their legs. There may be a few exceptions but all countries have there thing. What about the Arab conquests? Do Arabs feel guilty about conquering all those Berbers in North Africa and all the rest of the people that they conquered. No. They still want to conquer the whole world and put in under Islam. So why should I feel guilty if my racial ancestors conquered some country some where. Or are only Europeans supposed to feel guilty?
I will add: If you are of European descent then I hope you leave the U.S. and go somewhere else being that you feel the way you feel.
Good points. I am also sick of the self-hating liberals who are of European ancestry who want to forever beat themselves up over a past they never even played a role in.
That's okay. I'm sick of the just-plain-hating right-wingers who want to forever "beat up" people that they don't care about, especially those most vulnerable in society, rationalizing all manner of self-ratifying callous disregard for others. So we're even.
Good points. I am also sick of the self-hating liberals who are of European ancestry who want to forever beat themselves up over a past they never even played a role in.
How do you feel about people of European ancestry who pat themselves on the back regarding a past they had nothing to do with?
Don't you think that 77 years of celebrating the ethic cleansing that occurred here, in the interest of establishing the states that eventually became our nation, is enough? Or is your point that ethnic cleansing is a good thing, as long as it clears the way for the ethnicities you like to prevail? Or are you in the camp that refuses to admit the truth, and thereby deny that what happened here was indeed systematic forced removal of the pre-Columbian nations from these territories with the intent of creating territories inhabited by people of mostly European extraction, and of mostly Christian persuasion?
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Originally Posted by nickerman
Since every country on the face of globe came into being through a military conquest maybe the whole world should shrivel up and walk with their tales between their legs. There may be a few exceptions but all countries have there thing. What about the Arab conquests? Do Arabs feel guilty about conquering all those Berbers in North Africa and all the rest of the people that they conquered. No. They still want to conquer the whole world and put in under Islam. So why should I feel guilty if my racial ancestors conquered some country some where. Or are only Europeans supposed to feel guilty?
I will add: If you are of European descent then I hope you leave the U.S. and go somewhere else being that you feel the way you feel.
We both know that will not happen, They love the 3rd world so much they want to bring it home, not move themselves to a 3rd world home..
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