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Don't you think that 77 years of celebrating the ethic cleansing that occurred here, in the interest of establishing the states that eventually became our nation, is enough? Or is your point that ethnic cleansing is a good thing, as long as it clears the way for the ethnicities you like to prevail? Or are you in the camp that refuses to admit the truth, and thereby deny that what happened here was indeed systematic forced removal of the pre-Columbian nations from these territories with the intent of creating territories inhabited by people of mostly European extraction, and of mostly Christian persuasion?
No one celebrates or associates an ethnic cleansing with Columbus day, except you.
No one during the time of Columbus acted with the intent of 'eventually creating the sates that became our nation'. With that logic you have to trace the 'ethnic cleanisng' back to Eve and that would mean a war on women.
Take your anger out on the country that sponsored Columbus. See if they care.
Unless the garden of eden was in Chicago there are no indigenous people.
Every nation that exists is guilty of ethnic cleansing as you define it.
Columbus day represents the pioneering nature of man to explore and seek knowledge and challenge common beliefs.
No one celebrates or associates an ethnic cleansing with Columbus day, except you.
No one during the time of Columbus acted with the intent of 'eventually creating the sates that became our nation'. With that logic you have to trace the 'ethnic cleanisng' back to Eve and that would mean a war on women.
Take your anger out on the country that sponsored Columbus. See if they care.
Unless the garden of eden was in Chicago there are no indigenous people.
Every nation that exists is guilty of ethnic cleansing as you define it.
Columbus day represents the pioneering nature of man to explore and seek knowledge and challenge common beliefs.
Why is this an embarrassment? What possibly connection do you have to Columbus that would bring you to call this an embarrassment?
I ask this because his importance is blown way out of proportion. He was an Italian born sailor, funded by the Spanish, to sail across the globe. He didn't 'prove' the Earth was round. By the time he set sail, it was mostly an accepted fact that the Earth was round, so he didn't do that. He didn't 'discover' anything. People already had discovered it. At best, he told Europeans about it but let's remember that he thought he was in India at first (which is why we called the Indigenous Americans 'Indian' which you'd think we would have changed one we realized that we were mistaken, but that's not how it works I guess...).
He also opened the flood gates to genocide and slave trade, two things that are very much frowned upon in modern society. There's honestly no shred of logic for the US to celebrate a Spanish funded Italian navigator who started slave trading to the Americas simply because he landed there by accident.
But hey, it's more important we tell second graders how this monster of a man discovered America, even though he didn't and really, had he not done it, someone else would have.
Why is this an embarrassment? What possibly connection do you have to Columbus that would bring you to call this an embarrassment?
I ask this because his importance is blown way out of proportion. He was an Italian born sailor, funded by the Spanish, to sail across the globe. He didn't 'prove' the Earth was round. By the time he set sail, it was mostly an accepted fact that the Earth was round, so he didn't do that. He didn't 'discover' anything. People already had discovered it. At best, he told Europeans about it but let's remember that he thought he was in India at first (which is why we called the Indigenous Americans 'Indian' which you'd think we would have changed one we realized that we were mistaken, but that's not how it works I guess...).
He also opened the flood gates to genocide and slave trade, two things that are very much frowned upon in modern society. There's honestly no shred of logic for the US to celebrate a Spanish funded Italian navigator who started slave trading to the Americas simply because he landed there by accident.
But hey, it's more important we tell second graders how this monster of a man discovered America, even though he didn't and really, had he not done it, someone else would have.
Uh; by the rules of 1492; Mr Columbus didn't do much wrong.You're trying to use 2014 morals which are def different. Too; it's not like the American Indians were total angels either; many did THEIR share of dirty work against each other which would NEVER be OK in 2014 except by ISIS but, that history seems to be forgotten by both the tribes of today AND self hating anglo white people.
No one celebrates or associates an ethnic cleansing with Columbus day, except you.
I don't think he celebrates it; he's just aware that Columbus' legacy should logically be 'slavery and ethnic cleansing.'
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No one during the time of Columbus acted with the intent of 'eventually creating the sates that became our nation'. With that logic you have to trace the 'ethnic cleanisng' back to Eve and that would mean a war on women.
Of course not. However, I think back to my elementary school days and he's still often given that credit. But you're right, that was not his goal. His goal was mostly economic.
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Unless the garden of eden was in Chicago there are no indigenous people.
What? Are you referring to Biblical creation to disprove natural history? That's cute.
Indigenous people exist. Claiming they don't make no sense. This is to say, white Europeans would be considered 'indigenous' because they've lived there for centuries. Black people would be indigenous to Africa (though not all black people actually come from Africa). The basic idea of indigenous people comes from who lived where before the era of mass colonization and imperialism.
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Every nation that exists is guilty of ethnic cleansing as you define it.
Well, arguably yes to some degree. But you have to ask who committed the crimes? In the case of some South American countires, did Europeans do the killing or did the people who already lived there do the killing (and note that many survived and are still around today, though likely have bred with those of European decent)?
It is arbitrary to disdain a nation for it's past crimes, but to celebrate them is absolutely stupid.
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Columbus day represents the pioneering nature of man to explore and seek knowledge and challenge common beliefs.
Says the guy who ignores all science and still thinks Adam and Eve actually existed...
Also, his goals were not exclusively exploration based. He was also out for economic gain. He was not the only one. Many explorers were searching for gold because Europe was running out. Not to mention the gain of land and slave labor.
Uh; by the rules of 1492; Mr Columbus didn't do much wrong.You're trying to use 2014 morals which are def different. Too; it's not like the American Indians were total angels either; many did THEIR share of dirty work against each other which would NEVER be OK in 2014 except by ISIS but, that history seems to be forgotten by both the tribes of today AND self hating anglo white people.
Uh; by the rules of 1492; Mr Columbus didn't do much wrong.You're trying to use 2014 morals which are def different. Too; it's not like the American Indians were total angels either; many did THEIR share of dirty work against each other which would NEVER be OK in 2014 except by ISIS but, that history seems to be forgotten by both the tribes of today AND self hating anglo white people.
By today's rules, Columbus did do things wrong. Which is why I feel celebrating him is insane. He didn't do anything that is really essential. He started a slave trade route. Are we supposed to credit him for discovering America? Because I don't. Had he not done it, someone else would have. He also has no connection to the US. He was Italian and funded by Spain. He didn't even land in the continental US. The US having a day for this guy makes no sense, even if you ignore the terrible things he did.
And no, the Indigenous Americans weren't necessarily moral by today's standards either, though they were no more immoral than Europeans were. The only difference is Europeans were more industrialized and had the power to win and write history in their favor, which is why the Native American genocide is refereed to as 'Manifest Destiny' in textbooks.
And yeah, the native tribes of today have forgotten the bad things their ancestors did. So? We should do the same, but instead, we celebrate people like Columbus under the guise that 'he discovered America' which is largely untrue and not something that wouldn't have been done within a decade anyway.
I'm NOT kidding. I've got NO "white guilt" at all. Especially with the way so many "people of color" act just like PWT with their drinking, rape, fighting, hate of education and so on.
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