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NATO should have been disbanded after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and the end of the USSR in 1991. But, it had become not merely an alliance of states pledging to defend one another from attack, but an extensive organizational bureaucracy with many people dependent on its continued existence for their livelihoods. Once these bureaucracies become entrenched, they take on a life and mission of their own and prove very difficult to disband.
I don't know, they don't seem to be as enthusiastic as we are. Even here in America there's a large chunk of the population that smells foul play. We took the first step provoking a coup, and then blamed Russia for the backlash. WE BROKE THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS HOWEVER CORRUPT IT WAS. They are fighting for survival and we don't. If they run and cut the losses, they'll more revolutions and coups to deal with. NATO have been encroaching around their vital space when NATO should have been dismantled along with the fall of the USSR, and the consequent threat from a powerful empire.
I hope we question our motives for the war. If anything we could get busy with Mexico that already has enough corruption. Would be support a coup in Mexico? What is America doing in Ukraine. We know it's not about democracy and freedom.
I don't recall the EU doing anything in respect of the overthrowing of the previous regime in Ukraine, as for being enthusiasm, you can hardly call the Obama regimes response to international events including Ukraine enthusiastic at the best of times.
In terms of the US/EU Sanctions they are now starting to hit Moscow and the Russians aren't so much full of pride and might now, they are whinging about how unfair it all is.
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Originally Posted by BBC -29 April 2014
Russia has condemned new US and EU sanctions that have been imposed over Moscow's actions in Ukraine.
Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said "Iron Curtain"-style US sanctions could harm its hi-tech sector.
Moscow also said the EU should be ashamed of extending its sanctions and was "under Washington's thumb".
Russia repeated it had no intention of invading east Ukraine, where pro-Russia activists have seized buildings in more than a dozen towns.
This is a thought-provoking idea that exposes how the West may have their own Ukraine.
SCOTLAND IS A MODEL FOR UKRAINE
Scotland wants independence from England, not because England is that terribly bad, but because Scotland is more enthusiastic about the European Union. The issue is 50/50 in England, but the polls say Scots support the EU 3 to 1. In other words, the EU is both unifying and dividing nations.
The question is, will England let Scotland go? I hope they don't interfere with that effort. That would be antidemocratic. The Ukraine should the same: divide those who believe those who believe in the EU, and those who don't, ie. those who want to go with Russia.
Scotland is having a vote on Independence later this year. There is a thread on the UK Sub-forum of City Data discussing the issue.
In different parts of the UK you are going to have different political support just like in different parts of the US, the North and South of England also being very different, and the most likely outcome is going to be more devolved powers.
Well, unless the nuclear umbrella works 100%, it's going to be a mess. An all out campaign on Russia will be equally crazy. They started WWII weak but got stronger along the way. We haven't even being able to dislodge al-Assad.
They could turn Spartan, both in the sense of austere and militaristic. They may drop capitalism altogether and revert to communism. Or they could turn fascist in everything but name. The Western citizen is weak and lacks any particularly philosophy other than a commitment to profits. We are unwilling and unable to bring back the draft. To occupy Russia you need several million soldiers, if you must face an insurgency 100 times worse than Iraq.
At the same time this could launch many crazy leaders into action. Iran and North Korea are prime examples. If WWII was crazy, this is suicidal. This is not Iraq.
Relax, will ya...
Ukraine is being picked on precisely because it's weak and isolated.
Putin does not want to cross swords with NATO.
NATO has little direct interest in Ukraine.
This'll blow over just like the Russia vs Georgia fiasco did 6 years ago.
I don't think the Ukraine sees much benefit in the NATO Alliance, they are not going to start world war 3 over this one, I hope.
Putin is basically crazy, he longs for the old days and the Russia that once was, not there anymore.
I've heard some crazy language about WWIII coming from the Ukrainian leadership. It's like they say, "Our independence is worth the risk of WWIII."
The eastern European countries that joined NATO are pretty antagonistic too. They have in fact paved the way for Russian paranoia by installing antimissile defenses. Ukraine sent some troops into our latest military adventures.
I don't recall the EU doing anything in respect of the overthrowing of the previous regime in Ukraine, as for being enthusiasm, you can hardly call the Obama regimes response to international events including Ukraine enthusiastic at the best of times.
In terms of the US/EU Sanctions they are now starting to hit Moscow and the Russians aren't so much full of pride and might now, they are whinging about how unfair it all is.
The evidence of European involvement in Ukraine's coup is evident. The word "coup" itself has been removed from the Western media. The bias couldn't be more noticeable when they refer to the Eastern rebels (terrorists!) being "planted" by Russia.
This is a good question:
Would the American people accept a band of outlaws taking over our public buildings at the barrel of a gun … because foreign nations were angry that the US Government failed to sign a trade agreement?
Scotland is having a vote on Independence later this year. There is a thread on the UK Sub-forum of City Data discussing the issue.
In different parts of the UK you are going to have different political support just like in different parts of the US, the North and South of England also being very different, and the most likely outcome is going to be more devolved powers.
Yes, and this cultural divide dates back to the Roman conquest of England but not Scotland.
Scotland is the home of free people. I hope they choose independence, just to see London's reaction.
The evidence of European involvement in Ukraine's coup is evident. The word "coup" itself has been removed from the Western media. The bias couldn't be more noticeable when they refer to the Eastern rebels (terrorists!) being "planted" by Russia.
This is a good question:
Would the American people accept a band of outlaws taking over our public buildings at the barrel of a gun … because foreign nations were angry that the US Government failed to sign a trade agreement?
I suggest you find a credible source from a credible news source.
The protests that led to the downfall of the Ukrainian Government had nothing to do with the EU or US, and have you have already pointed out we are not that enthusiastic in terms of getting involved now beyond obvious sanctions.
Yes, and this cultural divide dates back to the Roman conquest of England but not Scotland.
Scotland is the home of free people. I hope they choose independence, just to see London's reaction.
There are differences in many countries, however Great Britain is a very small island which has been subject to mass immigration and mass worker mobility. Many people in England have Scottish, Welsh and Irish ancestry and vice versa. The lowland cities of Scotland have attracted a lot of workers from England, as have Aberdeen and the North.
England being home to more Scots than any where else and more first generation Irish and Welsh, and we pride ourselves on being a multicultural society.
As for the arguments in relation to any potential vote they can be found in the thread on the UK subsection of this website.
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