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If they do nothing they'll be dragged into the conflict without even knowing why. Imagine 1 million Parisians took to the streets and protested. Wow! If we claim to be fighting for freedom and democracy in Ukraine, we better use it.
They may as well do something about us in America.
If they do nothing they'll be dragged into the conflict without even knowing why. Imagine 1 million Parisians took to the streets and protested. Wow! If we claim to be fighting for freedom and democracy in Ukraine, we better use it.
They may as well do something about us in America.
Millions of Parisians have taken to the streets before, most notable in May 1968.
As for the EU it doesn't have a separate military HQ, the US itself having in the past being opposed to the setting up of a separate EU Military HQ to NATO. As NATO is the main military alliance with it's HQ in Brussels any military action will most probably be coordinated through NATO.
In terms of sanctions, the EU is looking to become less dependent on Russian fuel sources and is working with the US to impose a number of trade and financial sanctions.
Whilst Diplomats from across Europe and the US are involved in on going discussions.
Europe has no plans to invade the Ukraine, no one believes in a military solution. The sanctions will work but they take time. Russia is pushing into the Ukraine, as the US has learned invading is the easy part, what comes next is not so easy.
The Russian economy is smaller than several of the European countries and the sanctions will have an impact, just footing the bill for those 40,000 troops invading a country that serves no purpose to them is senseless.
What should the European people do in ref. to Ukraine?
They should sit back and thank their lucky stars that they're members of the world's strongest military alliance (NATO) unlike Ukraine, which has a weak military and no allies.
New sanctions on Russian Officials, 60 Billion leaving the country is fairly significant.
Quote:
Representatives of the 28 EU states will meet today to widen a list of people
subject to asset freezes and travel bans, an official from the bloc said over
the weekend. The sanctions will target 15 Russians in positions of power,
another diplomat said. Both asked not to be identified because of the
sensitivity of the matter.
“What we will hear about in the coming days is an expansion of existing
sanctions, measures against individuals or entities in Russia,” U.K. Foreign
Secretary William Hague told Sky News television yesterday. “Already we have
seen more than $60 billion of capital flight out of Russia so far this year, and
serious falls in the Russian stock market. So no one should underestimate the
impact on Russia and Russia’s own interests of continued escalation of this
crisis.”
Millions of Parisians have taken to the streets before, most notable in May 1968.
As for the EU it doesn't have a separate military HQ, the US itself having in the past being opposed to the setting up of a separate EU Military HQ to NATO. As NATO is the main military alliance with it's HQ in Brussels any military action will most probably be coordinated through NATO.
In terms of sanctions, the EU is looking to become less dependent on Russian fuel sources and is working with the US to impose a number of trade and financial sanctions.
Whilst Diplomats from across Europe and the US are involved in on going discussions.
What more do you want Europeans to do.
I don't know, they don't seem to be as enthusiastic as we are. Even here in America there's a large chunk of the population that smells foul play. We took the first step provoking a coup, and then blamed Russia for the backlash. WE BROKE THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS HOWEVER CORRUPT IT WAS. They are fighting for survival and we don't. If they run and cut the losses, they'll more revolutions and coups to deal with. NATO have been encroaching around their vital space when NATO should have been dismantled along with the fall of the USSR, and the consequent threat from a powerful empire.
I hope we question our motives for the war. If anything we could get busy with Mexico that already has enough corruption. Would be support a coup in Mexico? What is America doing in Ukraine. We know it's not about democracy and freedom.
Europe has no plans to invade the Ukraine, no one believes in a military solution. The sanctions will work but they take time. Russia is pushing into the Ukraine, as the US has learned invading is the easy part, what comes next is not so easy.
The Russian economy is smaller than several of the European countries and the sanctions will have an impact, just footing the bill for those 40,000 troops invading a country that serves no purpose to them is senseless.
Russia has been through an extreme sacrifice before.
Avoid a war, avoid cornering Russia into a position where force is the only option. Russia won't back down with sanctions. They know it. They may as well demand that Russia surrenders.
Sanctions. In other words, they are doing the right thing already.
Right, and what will the West do when Russia invades Ukaine?
Somebody is going to look bad, either Russia or the West. But for Russia this is more like a personal affront. Destabilization Russia, having a strong popular leader, won't be easy. And even if it is, Russia descending into another Syria would be absolutely crazy. Russia can also hit the West in many ways, such as supporting rogue states. Pray that doesn't happen.
They should sit back and thank their lucky stars that they're members of the world's strongest military alliance (NATO) unlike Ukraine, which has a weak military and no allies.
Well, unless the nuclear umbrella works 100%, it's going to be a mess. An all out campaign on Russia will be equally crazy. They started WWII weak but got stronger along the way. We haven't even being able to dislodge al-Assad.
They could turn Spartan, both in the sense of austere and militaristic. They may drop capitalism altogether and revert to communism. Or they could turn fascist in everything but name. The Western citizen is weak and lacks any particularly philosophy other than a commitment to profits. We are unwilling and unable to bring back the draft. To occupy Russia you need several million soldiers, if you must face an insurgency 100 times worse than Iraq.
At the same time this could launch many crazy leaders into action. Iran and North Korea are prime examples. If WWII was crazy, this is suicidal. This is not Iraq.
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What should the European people do in ref. to Ukraine?
