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View Poll Results: Should the US keep the internet Neutral ? (Net Neutrality)
Yes 104 73.24%
No 37 26.06%
I don't care 1 0.70%
Voters: 142. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-28-2014, 09:03 AM
 
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The internet could change with this new law. Leave the internet alone. It's a common carrier. The public should be outraged

Goodbye, Net Neutrality; Hello, Net Discrimination : The New Yorker
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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There's nothing stopping ISPs from doing today what you claim they "would" do if NN didn't pass. So you want a law which limits how a business can function, to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Super-awesome-o. This country is getting dumber and dumber by the minute.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:24 AM
 
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Obama let the FCC bureaucrats wrap their hands around the web...
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:26 AM
 
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There's nothing stopping ISPs from doing today what you claim they "would" do if NN didn't pass. So you want a law which limits how a business can function, to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Super-awesome-o. This country is getting dumber and dumber by the minute.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:29 AM
 
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What are people supposed to do? The administration claimed over and over that they supported N.N. but then when it comes down to it, they don't.

I'm sure you are familiar with my argument that people should quit voting for people so willing to forget their past promises.

So find your small nitch as the internet will belong to Netflix and Disney.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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There's nothing stopping ISPs from doing today what you claim they "would" do if NN didn't pass. So you want a law which limits how a business can function, to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
To expand, ISP's have for a couple of decades now, practiced "hot potato" routing. What that means is that they keep their own customers' data flow on their own networks as long as possible, and offload non customer data flows to the first available non customer network as soon as possible.

The issue as I understand it is whether or not the ISP's have the right to restrict data flows through their networks to only their own preferred customers. That wasnt how the internet was designed to work, and IMHO isnt how it should work.

In a way, it is like my little town saying that only residents of this town can use the roads without paying a fee to us. Problem is a state highway runs through here.

Roads, telephone systems, the internet, are all infrastructures that create benefits for all of us. Access should be open to all. We all pay a monthly fee for access. That should be enough, just as we all pay taxes for roads.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:39 AM
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Location: Florida
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The kind of absolute net neutrality that some have been clamoring for never had any substantive foundation. We don't live in a socialist nation (nor a capitalist nation) but rather live in society that very deliberately has a hybrid economy, where there is a balancing between the support for business and the support for consumers. Only inanely puerile black-and-white thinking would conclude that people need to support one or the other rather than a balancing. What the end-product of all this will be will be a reflection of support for both net neutrality and commercial capitalization of opportunities the Internet offers - both in their proper measure. So you will see net neutrality supported, in terms of the requirements to carry most data without regard to the service provider of the generator of the data, and some data subject to additional conditions, especially data that places excessive load on networks other than that of the service provider of the generator of the data.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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The administration claimed over and over that they supported N.N. but then when it comes down to it, they don't.
how do you figure?
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:01 AM
 
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how do you figure?
Seriously I have no desire to get into semantics over how he is not responsible for the things done under his administration.

And really despite my earlier comments, the change doesn't come about because of Disney.

NSA leaks bring the whole idea of "net neutrality" into question.
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:15 AM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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Seriously I have no desire to get into semantics over how he is not responsible for the things done under his administration.
A line of "reasoning" that would invariably lead to the utterly nonsensical conclusion that he is responsible for both what you like and its opposite, simultaneously, since he has supported a balanced approach, which supports both sides of this matter to some extent.
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