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Old 04-29-2014, 09:29 AM
 
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The US is already self-sufficient, regardless of the constant doomsday naysayers. The U.S. just chooses not to practic self-sufficiency because it is cheaper to outsource. American labor is expensive because American workers demand dignity, benefits, and reasonable pay. Foreign labor, on the other hand....
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:34 AM
 
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The US is already self-sufficient

The U.S. just chooses not to practic self-sufficiency
pretty sure this is contradictory
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:51 AM
 
Location: San Francisco born/raised - Las Vegas
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The US is already self-sufficient, regardless of the constant doomsday naysayers. The U.S. just chooses not to practic self-sufficiency because it is cheaper to outsource. American labor is expensive because American workers demand dignity, benefits, and reasonable pay. Foreign labor, on the other hand....
As such, the US will never be self sufficient.
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:02 AM
 
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The US is already self-sufficient, regardless of the constant doomsday naysayers. The U.S. just chooses not to practic self-sufficiency because it is cheaper to outsource. American labor is expensive because American workers demand dignity, benefits, and reasonable pay. Foreign labor, on the other hand....
We have very little heavy industry.

We do not want the pollution.

China does not mind.

We will always depend on nations willing to have the heavy industry.
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:06 AM
 
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What era was the US "self-sufficient?" And what does it even mean for a country to be "self-sufficient?"
The 1800's were a time of self-sufficiency. If you disagree, tell me who propped America up and what did they provide that we couldn't provide for ourselves.

If you need to re-read the definition of self-sufficient, here it is:

Self-sufficient | Define Self-sufficient at Dictionary.com

Thanks!
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:07 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Are the days of the most powerful nation behind us?
Doubtful. Or at least not for a long time. Our recent generations are ones of hedonism. We feel that we can do anything we like and that there will never be any consequences.

It's not new; it started in earnest (at least in a modern sense) in the 1920s with the "flapper generation." Then we got smacked up the side of the head in the 1930s. Then the process started again in the 1950s, and it's been escalating exponentially the past 20 years or so. At some point we will get called out again, because you cannot ignore reality forever.

As far as the US as a "powerful nation," I have mixed feelings on that. Actually I think it's prudent to be a very powerful nation. But I don't think it's wise to be the world's policeman. I think that has contributed to our current condition, along with our hedonism in a financial, social, and moral sense. Problem is, as fun as it is while it lasts, sooner or later you've got to come down from that LSD trip. We will at some point.
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:07 AM
 
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Support?

Self-sufficiency is not about support, it is about trade.



in the early 19th century, the u.s. imported tea, coffee, porcelain, silk, opium, textiles, hardware, cutlery, books, and luxury items, as well as iron, millstones, wine, salt, and coal.
You clearly do no know what "self-sufficient' means.

Self-sufficient | Define Self-sufficient at Dictionary.com

Yes, we imported. But that doesn't mean we couldn't support ourselves.

Tell me again how we weren't able to support ourselves without those imports.

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Old 04-29-2014, 10:08 AM
 
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Yes, we imported. But that doesn't mean we couldn't support ourselves.

Self-sufficient | Define Self-sufficient at Dictionary.com

Tell me again how we weren't able to support ourselves without those imports.

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But, we will not.
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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In every organization, there is a head honcho. The world needs a head honcho too. It's absurd to think that every nation should share in Canada- and UK-like mediocrity when it comes to keeping the world in line. Someone has to be the leader. Liberals, such as yourself, would love nothing more than America to be a mediocre nobody. To me, that's shameful.
Oh, you mean having a happy, healthy, well-educated society in a country which has more money than it knows what to do with?
Nah, you don't want that kind of mediocrity.
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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In every organization, there is a head honcho. The world needs a head honcho too. It's absurd to think that every nation should share in Canada- and UK-like mediocrity when it comes to keeping the world in line. Someone has to be the leader. Liberals, such as yourself, would love nothing more than America to be a mediocre nobody. To me, that's shameful.

head honcho= deepest pocket
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