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Old 05-02-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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You do not know that for a fact.
The thing is, the did not need the CIA back in Virginia to create an assessment, all they needed to do was ask the people in Libya, and those people never said there was a protest that went badly, they said it appeared to be a planned, and deliberate terrorist attack, with heavy weapons and dozens of terrorists.

There never was need for any guess work.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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You do not know that for a fact.
Actually we do know that for a fact. And that fact is directly responsible for the abject and persistent failure of continuing right-wing efforts to politicize this tragedy for cynical, partisan purposes.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:40 AM
 
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Actually we do know that for a fact. And that fact is directly responsible for the abject and persistent failure of continuing right-wing efforts to politicize this tragedy for cynical, partisan purposes.
The administration politicized the tragedy when they blamed it on a youtube video.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:46 AM
 
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actually we do know that for a fact. And that fact is directly responsible for the abject and persistent failure of continuing right-wing efforts to politicize this tragedy for cynical, partisan purposes.
amen!
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:51 AM
 
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amen!
Amen to what. That we have a dim witted CIA, which would have to be
the case if you believe the story the administration was/is peddling.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Texas
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You are not trying to say Libya invasion was a success, are you?
Doesn't really matter what I say.

The fact is that Qaddafi was deposed w/o a single US casualty.

And the right wing continues to foam at the mouth over it. While simultaneously continuing to support Bush's failed war in Iraq.


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Lessons from Libya: How Not to Intervene - Harvard - Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs)


"The Conventional Wisdom Is Wrong. Libya's 2011 uprising was never peaceful, but instead was armed and violent from the start. Muammar al-Qaddafi did not target civilians or resort to indiscriminate force. Although inspired by humanitarian impulse, NATO's intervention did not aim mainly to protect civilians, but rather to overthrow Qaddafi's regime, even at the expense of increasing the harm to Libyans."

"NATO's action magnified the conflict's duration about sixfold and its death toll at least sevenfold, while also exacerbating human rights abuses, humanitarian suffering, Islamic radicalism, and weapons proliferation in Libya and its neighbors. If Libya was a "model intervention," then it was a model of failure."

"Three Lessons. First, beware rebel propaganda that seeks intervention by falsely crying genocide. Second, avoid intervening on humanitarian grounds in ways that reward rebels and thus endanger civilians, unless the state is already targeting noncombatants. Third, resist the tendency of humanitarian intervention to morph into regime change, which amplifies the risk to civilians."

Like I said, I'm not going to rehash Libya conflict...Oh look at me; I did a Susan Rice. I lied

Shame on you.

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Old 05-02-2014, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The assessment really does not matter much in the long run, it's just another distraction from the events leading up to the terror attack.
You move those goal posts!!!

You know... a point in every direction is the same as no point at all.
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:00 AM
 
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The fact is that Qaddafi was deposed w/o a single US casualty.

And the right wing continues to foam at the mouth over it. While simultaneously continuing to support Bush's failed war in Iraq.

Shame on you.

That I will agree with
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The thing is, the did not need the CIA back in Virginia to create an assessment, all they needed to do was ask the people in Libya, and those people never said there was a protest that went badly, they said it appeared to be a planned, and deliberate terrorist attack, with heavy weapons and dozens of terrorists.

There never was need for any guess work.
You've never actually had a bullet fired in you in anger, have you?

Because that is an assertion so naive as to beggar the imagination.
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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You are not trying to say Libya invasion was a success, are you?
There was no Libya invasion.
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