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Old 01-28-2015, 11:45 AM
 
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Vermont calls more GMO hearings

So, some people want these labels on all processed foods made entirely or partially with genetic engineering:
"produced with genetic engineering"
"partially produced with genetic engineering"
"may be produced with genetic engineering"

I don't understand the value of labels that tell consumers something they already know, given that it is generally accepted that around 80 percent of all crops in the United States are grown with genetically engineered seeds.

I also don't know why they don't seem to mind that "conventional" produce doesn't have a label on it that says "produced through the use of pesticides."

They just buy the ones labeled "organic." No problem, right?

By the same token, they can buy the processed foods that are labeled "GMO-free," or "No GMOs"
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Old 01-28-2015, 11:56 AM
 
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GMO is proven safer than '''organic'''


Organic food is more dangerous than conventionally grown produce because organic farmers use animal manure as the major source of fertilizer for their food crops. Animal manure is the biggest reservoir of these nasty bacteria that are afflicting and killing so many people. Because of lack oversight, the organic industry has been plagued by contamination problems worldwide. When dealing with the potential dangers of un-composted feces, mere record-keeping and record-checking cannot possibly be expected to keep people safe. In one notorious recent case involving the finding of a novel strain of O104:H4 bacteria linked to an organic farm in Lower Saxony in Germany in 2011, 3,950 people were affected and 53 died.

Said simply. While manure used in organic farms can be deadly, the cumulative conclusion after more than 2000 studies of genetically modified foods is that GMOs pose no serious health or safety concerns. There is still no such thing as organic testing, neither in the field nor after harvest nor in any certified-organic processing facilities—and, most disturbingly, not on incoming shipments of certified-organic product from countries like China, Mexico or Argentina. These foreign shipments account for the majority of the certified-organic food being sold in North American grocery stores. Organic certification is all based on paperwork with no recourse to science.

All of the alleged dangers of GM crops and food have been assessed by global experts and dismissed. Everyone from the European Union (EU) to the World Health Organization (WHO), National Academies of Science (NAS), Health Canada to the local Vancouver Coastal Health Authority (VCHA) agree there is no evidence of harm from consuming food made with GM ingredients.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:16 PM
 
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Animal manure is the biggest reservoir of these nasty bacteria that are afflicting and killing so many people. Because of lack oversight, the organic industry has been plagued by contamination problems worldwide. When dealing with the potential dangers of un-composted feces, mere record-keeping and record-checking cannot possibly be expected to keep people safe. In one notorious recent case involving the finding of a novel strain of O104:H4 bacteria linked to an organic farm in Lower Saxony in Germany in 2011, 3,950 people were affected and 53 died.

Said simply. While manure used in organic farms can be deadly, the cumulative conclusion after more than 2000 studies of genetically modified foods is that GMOs pose no serious health or safety concerns. There is still no such thing as organic testing, neither in the field nor after harvest nor in any certified-organic processing facilities—and, most disturbingly, not on incoming shipments of certified-organic product from countries like China, Mexico or Argentina. These foreign shipments account for the majority of the certified-organic food being sold in North American grocery stores. Organic certification is all based on paperwork with no recourse to science.

All of the alleged dangers of GM crops and food have been assessed by global experts and dismissed. Everyone from the European Union (EU) to the World Health Organization (WHO), National Academies of Science (NAS), Health Canada to the local Vancouver Coastal Health Authority (VCHA) agree there is no evidence of harm from consuming food made with GM ingredients.
I see that you've pasted this text many times. Please substantiate your claims.

Thanks.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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GMO is proven safer than '''organic'''


Organic food is more dangerous than conventionally grown produce because organic farmers use animal manure as the major source of fertilizer for their food crops. Animal manure is the biggest reservoir of these nasty bacteria that are afflicting and killing so many people. Because of lack oversight, the organic industry has been plagued by contamination problems worldwide. When dealing with the potential dangers of un-composted feces, mere record-keeping and record-checking cannot possibly be expected to keep people safe. In one notorious recent case involving the finding of a novel strain of O104:H4 bacteria linked to an organic farm in Lower Saxony in Germany in 2011, 3,950 people were affected and 53 died.

Said simply. While manure used in organic farms can be deadly, the cumulative conclusion after more than 2000 studies of genetically modified foods is that GMOs pose no serious health or safety concerns. There is still no such thing as organic testing, neither in the field nor after harvest nor in any certified-organic processing facilities—and, most disturbingly, not on incoming shipments of certified-organic product from countries like China, Mexico or Argentina. These foreign shipments account for the majority of the certified-organic food being sold in North American grocery stores. Organic certification is all based on paperwork with no recourse to science.

All of the alleged dangers of GM crops and food have been assessed by global experts and dismissed. Everyone from the European Union (EU) to the World Health Organization (WHO), National Academies of Science (NAS), Health Canada to the local Vancouver Coastal Health Authority (VCHA) agree there is no evidence of harm from consuming food made with GM ingredients.
And this means it shouldn't be labeled? Safe or not, people should be able to know what they're purchasing. And hey, if it's safer than organic, then that's even more of a reason to label it. People will know which product is safer, right?

Also, don't use fresh manure. This will decrease the risk of contamination. ALSO, use it in the fall and spring to bring nutrients to the soil. Don't use it once things have been planted. There are plenty of ways to farm organically with manure without doing too much damage.

GMO foods are also not completely resistant. How many times have we hear of beef spreading E. coli? Plenty. GMO food are also sprayed with extremely toxic pesticides, and if you've ever seen it being applied, those doing the spraying have to wear protective suits. I'm not expert, but I can't imagine running your apple under water is going to completely remove whatever it is that is sprayed onto the food. Would you eat an apple that was dropped into a bucket of bleach then rinsed off? Because I wouldn't.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:47 PM
 
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I am most certainly NOT here to attack organic produce.

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GMO is proven safer than '''organic''': Organic food is more dangerous than conventionally grown produce because organic farmers use animal manure as the major source of fertilizer for their food crops. Animal manure is the biggest reservoir of these nasty bacteria that are afflicting and killing so many people. Because of lack oversight, the organic industry has been plagued by contamination problems worldwide. When dealing with the potential dangers of un-composted feces, mere record-keeping and record-checking cannot possibly be expected to keep people safe. In one notorious recent case involving the finding of a novel strain of O104:H4 bacteria linked to an organic farm in Lower Saxony in Germany in 2011, 3,950 people were affected and 53 died.
I'm pretty sure you won't read this, but I'll give it a go anyway.

The outbreak you speak of was traced back to fenugreek seeds imported from Egypt.

BBC News - E. coli: EU bans Egyptian seeds after fenugreek link


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Said simply. While manure used in organic farms can be deadly, the cumulative conclusion after more than 2000 studies of genetically modified foods is that GMOs pose no serious health or safety concerns. There is still no such thing as organic testing, neither in the field nor after harvest nor in any certified-organic processing facilities—and, most disturbingly, not on incoming shipments of certified-organic product from countries like China, Mexico or Argentina. These foreign shipments account for the majority of the certified-organic food being sold in North American grocery stores. Organic certification is all based on paperwork with no recourse to science.
eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:55 PM
 
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GMO is proven safer than '''organic'''


Organic food is more dangerous than conventionally grown produce because organic farmers use animal manure as the major source of fertilizer for their food crops. Animal manure is the biggest reservoir of these nasty bacteria that are afflicting and killing so many people. Because of lack oversight, the organic industry has been plagued by contamination problems worldwide. When dealing with the potential dangers of un-composted feces, mere record-keeping and record-checking cannot possibly be expected to keep people safe. In one notorious recent case involving the finding of a novel strain of O104:H4 bacteria linked to an organic farm in Lower Saxony in Germany in 2011, 3,950 people were affected and 53 died.

Said simply. While manure used in organic farms can be deadly, the cumulative conclusion after more than 2000 studies of genetically modified foods is that GMOs pose no serious health or safety concerns. There is still no such thing as organic testing, neither in the field nor after harvest nor in any certified-organic processing facilities—and, most disturbingly, not on incoming shipments of certified-organic product from countries like China, Mexico or Argentina. These foreign shipments account for the majority of the certified-organic food being sold in North American grocery stores. Organic certification is all based on paperwork with no recourse to science.

All of the alleged dangers of GM crops and food have been assessed by global experts and dismissed. Everyone from the European Union (EU) to the World Health Organization (WHO), National Academies of Science (NAS), Health Canada to the local Vancouver Coastal Health Authority (VCHA) agree there is no evidence of harm from consuming food made with GM ingredients.
Wowza....I only use my sheep manure prior to planting since sheep tend to pass fewer seeds than all other animals. My 2 sheep eat my grass, clear the garden and eat then poop/pee green. Hmmm? What goes in comes out the same? I don't even allow bug spray on a person on my property. (oops I'm in VT) Yes, we're the largest farm to table movement.

Yet, there are trials of rice being grown in the midwest containing human DNA? Which bothers you more? No, not all food that is not "played with" is organic. Marketing ploy.
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Old 01-29-2015, 08:21 AM
 
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This law calls for labels on all processed foods made entirely or partially with genetic engineering.

What is the value of labels that tell consumers something they already know, given that it is generally accepted that around 80 percent of all crops in the United States are grown with genetically engineered seeds?

Why don't these concerned consumers mind that "conventional" produce doesn't have a label on it that says "produced through the use of pesticides."
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