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Liberals are communists. They just think they can do it better and make it all work. Been tried a lot of times but it never works. We are next to feel the pain it appears.
What do conservatives try all the time that actually works? Anything?
Great point but I believe even more important is the realization that the Founding Fathers never seen a democratic system at work. When our constitution was written there were no other democracies anywhere in the world, no experience and lessons to take from. Our founding fathers did a great job writing the constitution but they could predict the changes that this country would go through in 200 years.
You're ignorant of the founding fathers, and it's completely typical that the average "progressive" today thinks that they are better informed on history, politics, and government than they. You would have done a better job than Jefferson and Washington, right? It's just that you, unfortunately, were born several hundred years too late. I empathize.
Some quotes:
Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Papers:
We are a Republican Government, Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy…it has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.
John Adams:
Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
Thomas Jefferson:
A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%.
Thomas Jefferson:
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson:
All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that through the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression.
James Madison:
Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.
John Quincy Adams:
The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived.
James Madison:
Democracy was the right of the people to choose their own tyrant.
John Adams:
That the desires of the majority of the people are often for injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated by every page of the history of the world.
John Witherspoon:
Pure democracy cannot subsist long nor be carried far into the departments of state – it is very subject to caprice and the madness of popular rage.
John Marshall:
Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.
Winston Churchill:
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Sydney J Harris:
Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be.
No. It's not reality it's just your opinion. You backwater types don't really care about reality where liberals run successful, democratic countries like Germany, Canada, Australia or the UK. You really think that freedom does not exist outside of the us and mentioned above countries are oppressive and poor. Wake up and smell the roses.
The ad-hominem informs me that I'm arguing with the "type" that lacks a rational mind as well as an argument.
We aren't any of those countries and don't aspire top be. We are the U.S.A. If you like those countries, go live in them. All of those countries, every one, have disturbing anti-free speech laws that neither the current governments nor the people will be able to predict the evolution of. Those laws are likely to become more Draconian in short time, and they can very easily swing back to apply to liberals should the Overton Window ever change. Liberals that support anti-free speech laws support their own eventual slavery. The point of free speech laws, ironically, is to keep things liberal. Additionally, those countries have other severe problems that range across the social and economic spectrum that this country avoids and part of that avoidance is tolerance of all views and values - including conservative.
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Originally Posted by Hesster
Keep beating up that liberal straw man. No one's buying it except your fellow wingnuts, but the rest of us find it quite amusing.
Ad-hominems make your comments and thoughts irrelevant noise. First, if we are talking about liberals, the subject of the thread, it's not a straw man. Do you know what a straw man is? Get back to us after you google it.
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Originally Posted by Rapaport
Say what? Do you really think that Australians or Canadians have less liberties than Americans? Lol
Of course you don't. You don't care about things you know nothing about, don't you? Ignorance is a bliss, they say
They absolutely have less liberties, especially where liberties count. You clearly don't know much about the countries that you blithely regurgitate references to.
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Originally Posted by Rapaport
There were no "past systems" in 1776. Most of the world was a monarchy and any parallels between monarchy and democracy are impossible. Again you prove how little you know or understand about the world and it's history.
This paragraph is a clear indication that you are well in over your head, and you are openly embarrassing yourself. Luckily, anonymity on CD saves you from the public revelation of your educational lack. Even a cursory google search would have given you the information that you needed to prevent you from posting such evidence of no education. Here's some help:
They couldn't as there was no Greek democracy but rather several democracies in several Greek cities, democracies that were direct and existed few thousand years ago so they couldn't provide any lessons applicable to XIII century politics.
How embarrassing for you. I cry for you and all people with your level of ignorance. OF course, YOUR generation is blazing trails in human governance. You truly are the blind mice of the world. Don't expect the sighted mice to blindly walk the plank with you.
Liberals are communists. They just think they can do it better and make it all work. Been tried a lot of times but it never works. We are next to feel the pain it appears.
I don't agree with that statement.
I'm a liberal but I am not a communist. How can I be? I'm a businessman, landlord and a property owner. I'm a liberal because I'm for equality and justice and oppose bigotry and corporate corruption.
I'm a liberal but I am not a communist. How can I be? I'm a businessman, landlord and a property owner. I'm a liberal because I'm for equality and justice and oppose bigotry and corporate corruption.
Do you value "equality" over freedom?
Define bigotry?
Why not all corruption, why just corporate corruption?
You're ignorant of the founding fathers, and it's completely typical that the average "progressive" today thinks that they are better informed on history, politics, and government than they. You would have done a better job than Jefferson and Washington, right? It's just that you, unfortunately, were born several hundred years too late. I empathize.
Some quotes:
Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Papers:
We are a Republican Government, Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy…it has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.
John Adams:
Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
Thomas Jefferson:
A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%.
Thomas Jefferson:
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson:
All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that through the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression.
James Madison:
Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.
John Quincy Adams:
The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived.
James Madison:
Democracy was the right of the people to choose their own tyrant.
John Adams:
That the desires of the majority of the people are often for injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated by every page of the history of the world.
John Witherspoon:
Pure democracy cannot subsist long nor be carried far into the departments of state – it is very subject to caprice and the madness of popular rage.
John Marshall:
Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.
Winston Churchill:
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Sydney J Harris:
Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be.
The ad-hominem informs me that I'm arguing with the "type" that lacks a rational mind as well as an argument.
We aren't any of those countries and don't aspire top be. We are the U.S.A. If you like those countries, go live in them. All of those countries, every one, have disturbing anti-free speech laws that neither the current governments nor the people will be able to predict the evolution of. Those laws are likely to become more Draconian in short time, and they can very easily swing back to apply to liberals should the Overton Window ever change. Liberals that support anti-free speech laws support their own eventual slavery. The point of free speech laws, ironically, is to keep things liberal. Additionally, those countries have other severe problems that range across the social and economic spectrum that this country avoids and part of that avoidance is tolerance of all views and values - including conservative.
Ad-hominems make your comments and thoughts irrelevant noise. First, if we are talking about liberals, the subject of the thread, it's not a straw man. Do you know what a straw man is? Get back to us after you google it.
They absolutely have less liberties, especially where liberties count. You clearly don't know much about the countries that you blithely regurgitate references to.
This paragraph is a clear indication that you are well in over your head, and you are openly embarrassing yourself. Luckily, anonymity on CD saves you from the public revelation of your educational lack. Even a cursory google search would have given you the information that you needed to prevent you from posting such evidence of no education. Here's some help:
How embarrassing for you. I cry for you and all people with your level of ignorance. OF course, YOUR generation is blazing trails in human governance. You truly are the blind mice of the world. Don't expect the sighted mice to blindly walk the plank with you.
So much win in your post...I love how you just take him apart peice by peice
Keep beating up that liberal straw man. No one's buying it except your fellow wingnuts, but the rest of us find it quite amusing.
Really. China has socialism and heavy government spending, yet its economy will soon surpass the U. S. economy. The right will tell you the reason America is about to run behind China all started with the socialism of President Roosevelt, such as Social Security. Right, gunlover?
I'm a liberal but I am not a communist. How can I be? I'm a businessman, landlord and a property owner. I'm a liberal because I'm for equality and justice and oppose bigotry and corporate corruption.
Guess you can't be a liberal then, cause KUChief says all liberals are communists, and everything he says is gospel.
They only work because they do not prize liberty to the same extent we do. They have some, but not the same amount and to the same degree.
Furthermore I don't care what those nations do, America is not Germany, Canada, Australia, or the UK, Why cant you understand this fact?
You don't care, because it shoots holes in your ignorant little fairy tale. Those countries are far more liberal than we are, yet have much higher quality of living.
You don't care, because it shoots holes in your ignorant little fairy tale. Those countries are far more liberal than we are, yet have much higher quality of living.
Yes they do, what don't the have?
A open border with a failed state
A Constitution which restricts the government and its action
A massive regulatory state
They also dont have to spend that much on defense, It must be great to have America defend you at such little cost to your nation..
I understand their cultures, their views, their values, that is fine, We have a vastly difference set...If you favor their set fine, move.
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