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Old 05-05-2014, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Communism always has a ruling class, there is no middle class, just the poor... we are headed for that now.
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Old 05-05-2014, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Let's face it.. the housing crisis is still in crisis today.. the banks lost billions of dollars and the government is bailing them out with debt on Americans.

Anyone who could breathe got a mortgage, didn't have to have a job..just sign the dotted line... millions of people never paid the first mortgage payment and lived in the house for years before a foreclosure notice was sent.

It was a free for all and everyone was in on it.. the buyers and the banks..and the financial institutions.

Bush wanted an investigation because Greenspan said there is a housing bubble and it will bust.

Barney Frank and Maxine Waters said everything was fine ... today we are still in deep trouble.. the banks are broke,, the didn't just lose the interest on the mortgages, they lost most of the capital that went to the builders . The builders were dirty too. Every time the fed moved the interest rate down a point the builders would add 50 thousand to the price of the same house.
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Old 05-05-2014, 05:40 PM
 
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I think you're drowning in definitions lol All of this to cover the fact that conservatives today only talk about small government when they are not the government.
When conservatives were running the show they did not oppose "big government" ideas like Patriot Act, and even though they are against government "interference in our lives" they oppose legalization of marijuana or gay marriage. LOL. Conservatives today are simply opportunists lacking a real political program as "small government - less regulations" is not a political program but rather a political slogan.


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Modern American Conservatism is in reality Classical Liberalism. Progressives of today share the liberal view that kings are bad, but stop short of the distrust of government held by classical liberals (modern American Conservatives)

WE dont think we invented it, we do however understand we are the defenders of it... (by IT i mean conservatism which is classical liberalism... which is clearly something you dont know that much about)
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Old 05-05-2014, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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After you finish ROTFL, what is this re "our own tyranny"?
Don't be lazy. Next time look up tyranny yourself. Tyranny is oppression by government. Taxation ring a bell? The police state ring a bell. Policemen of the world ring a bell.
Even Israel, our ally, doesn't want us telling them what to do.

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Old 05-05-2014, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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same reasons right wingers keep wanting more gun rights, even though they are associated with more homicides, accidents, and suicides

never let a few facts get in the way of a good belief.
Yeah because Chicago is so peaceful...
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Old 05-05-2014, 06:50 PM
 
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In regards to the political alignment of the British Monarchy, it sounds like Liberals and Conservatives are defining their terms differently. Liberals are defining it as a "socially conservative" sense, a culturally traditional concept such as the British Monarchy. The Conservatives on the other hand, are defining it as "small government", like America at its independence. If anyone wants to prove themselves right, they'll have to prove why their definition is superior.
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Old 05-05-2014, 07:14 PM
 
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Oh my God, what a tyranny we endure in the us where people can't even voice their opinions... Wait, you just did...
LOL

What tyranny? What oppression? Taxation? LOL Every country on the planet has taxes, every country has laws and the police. Loveshiscountry, did you forget to take your meds today?



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Don't be lazy. Next time look up tyranny yourself. Tyranny is oppression by government. Taxation ring a bell? The police state ring a bell. Policemen of the world ring a bell.
Even Israel, our ally, doesn't want us telling them what to do.
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Old 05-05-2014, 07:20 PM
 
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There is only one definition where traditional authoritarian monarchies, not like the UK or Belgium today, are the ultimate conservative political systems. FOr instance I don't think anybody sane would call Saudi Arabia liberal, or progressive.
Conservatives can invent whatever definitions they want but nobody sane would argue that the British Crown was either progressive or liberal in comparison to the US. LOL


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In regards to the political alignment of the British Monarchy, it sounds like Liberals and Conservatives are defining their terms differently. Liberals are defining it as a "socially conservative" sense, a culturally traditional concept such as the British Monarchy. The Conservatives on the other hand, are defining it as "small government", like America at its independence. If anyone wants to prove themselves right, they'll have to prove why their definition is superior.
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Old 05-05-2014, 07:23 PM
 
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Don't be lazy. Next time look up tyranny yourself. Tyranny is oppression by government. Taxation ring a bell? The police state ring a bell. Policemen of the world ring a bell.
Even Israel, our ally, doesn't want us telling them what to do.
Taxation is tyranny? Apparently some of our founding fathers disagree:

"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation
of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his
natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all
Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the
Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore
by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick
shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society
on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can
have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his
Club towards the Support of it."
-Benjamin Franklin
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Old 05-05-2014, 07:31 PM
 
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Yeah because Chicago is so peaceful...
Chicago just got more gun rights. lol
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