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This is a guess because I honestly no longer know what 'enrolled' or 'signed up' mean.
2/3 of 8 million = roughly 5.4 million. Maybe the 2.4 million who paid their premium cover roughly 3 million family members, bringing the total covered under paid premiums to 5.4 million ?
I've always believed the 8 million referred to the # of individuals who had committed to paying for a policy. Maybe it refers to the total # of people who are covered by the plans
For example, if Obama 'signed up' and included his wife and 2 children in a family plan, is that one or four in the 8 million total enrollment?
True, the House report isn't a firm or final total, but so what. Obama/Sebelius refuse to reveal any stats on paid vs. unpaid. They've chosen to lie, mislead, delay, hide the data. If House opponents of ACA use a little deception of their own, tough. Maybe it'll encourage the WH to look up the definition of 'transparency.'
HHS claims they don't have the numbers.
The insurance providers say they provide the numbers every month to HHS.
Pretty sad that members of Congress had to send requests to the insurance providers because HHS wouldn't talk to them.
"The emperor has no clothes on" no matter what they are telling us.
Good point. How many times has Obama delayed enactment of certain parts of the law. And why? Because he knows that if implemented as passed, it will utterly screw millions, screw the economy, and create an enormous backlash against the Democrats in 2014 and 2016.
Let's just stop these numbers games (by both parties).
The only numbers most care about is:
How many newly insured (real new not those switching plans or having plans canceled and rebutting on the exchanges).
How many newly insured customers do we have paying into the system with or without subsidies. Why doesn't the White House release these numbers?
I have said time and time again. The 50 million uninsured number is meaningless prior to the ACA debate. Because we all know millions chose not to pay for insurance. It probably isn't an affordability issue when 8-10 million households with incomes over $75000 are uninsured.
And another 15 million young adults chose not to carry insurance even though for the vast majority of them would have been dirt cheap to get major comprehensive plans for $100/month.
How do you move those 30 million uninsured (of the 50 million) or so people where affordability isn't the main driving factor of being uninsured. How do you move them into being paying customers?
To date. My best guess is probably around 1.5-2 million "newly insured" paying customers in the exchanges.
But we need the administrations help. They need to be truthful if they want to move forward and "fix" the law to make it more affordable without raising more taxes or creating even more narrow networks.
I'm not sure where they are getting the 2/3rd from because the report itself says
As of April 15, 2014, insurers informed the committee that only 2.45 million had paid their first month’s premium for coverage obtained through the federally facilitated marketplace
If there are 8 million enrollees, thats not 2/3rd... Are they counting medicaid recipiants as "paid"?
Exactly!
It is exactly like counting welfare recipients as "employed" in order to reduce the unemployment rate.
Never, and I was in my mid 20's during the Nixon years, have we had a more corrupt and dishonest president as this assclown in office who is unfit to be county dog catcher much less POTUS.
"Hope and Change" beats "Hate and War" every single time.
Where's that GOP alternative plan again?
The numbers are meaningless at this point. Obamacare is the law of the land at this point. Until the Republicans can come up with a viable alternative that won't kick millions off health care, they have no leg to stand on at all.
What wasn't better before there was "Obamacare"?
Before there was "Obamacare", no one had been tossed off their insurance because it didn't meet new guidelines.
Before there was "Obamacare", middle-aged enrollees didn't have to carry maternity and pediatric optical coverage or face having the insurance policy they liked cancelled.
Before there was "Obamacare", most working and self-employed people didn't have to pay $6K/yr for a plan with a $5K deductible.
Before there was "Obamacare", half a trillion wasn't confiscated from Medicare to buy votes from deadbeats.
Before there was "Obamacare", most people were satisfied with the insurance they had.
Before there was "Obamacare", no one had been tossed off their insurance because it didn't meet new guidelines.
Before there was "Obamacare", middle-aged enrollees didn't have to carry maternity and pediatric optical coverage or face having the insurance policy they liked cancelled.
Before there was "Obamacare", most working and self-employed people didn't have to pay $6K/yr for a plan with a $5K deductible.
Before there was "Obamacare", half a trillion wasn't confiscated from Medicare to buy votes from deadbeats.
Before there was "Obamacare", most people were satisfied with the insurance they had.
And since you'll all instantly disregard TPM, here's a link to the survey. You tell me.
Energy and Commerce Data Collection Form[/url]
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Originally Posted by brentwoodgirl
The Talking Points Memo author needs to go back to an elementary math class.
40% of 8 Million is 3.2 million. The administration claimed 7 million had signed up in March.
So if the TPM author believes 40% signed up after March 15, then he failed math class.
Also, the GOP got the numbers straight from the insurance companies. And all the reporting I've seen noted the late sign ups had a couple more weeks to pay.
Far from a fail, these are the most straight forward numbers we have gotten to date since Obama and Co refuse to provide anything beyond the number of people who set up accounts on the website. Oh, and a fake "under 35" number, which turned out to include kids under 18.
Yep, the survey was a scam all right. And the health insurance industry is proving it.
And if anyone wants to try to convince me that the health insurance industry is a leftwing stooge, don't bother.
Before there was "Obamacare", no one had been tossed off their insurance because it didn't meet new guidelines.
Before there was "Obamacare", middle-aged enrollees didn't have to carry maternity and pediatric optical coverage or face having the insurance policy they liked cancelled.
Before there was "Obamacare", most working and self-employed people didn't have to pay $6K/yr for a plan with a $5K deductible.
Before there was "Obamacare", half a trillion wasn't confiscated from Medicare to buy votes from deadbeats.
Before there was "Obamacare", most people were satisfied with the insurance they had.
No comment on the fact that the premise of this entire thread is based on a scam by the GOP?
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