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Old 05-05-2014, 12:48 PM
 
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By taking responsibility for themselves and acquiring skills that will pay them a wage that will lift them out of poverty. I know personal responsibility isn't necessarily a theme of the left, but we can all agree that this is ideal.
It must be pretty easy to consider yourself a political expert when you can write off all the most complex and worsening problems in this country as people simply being lazy.

The conservative approach to inequality is why virtually every other developed nation in the world has steered far clear of it.
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Old 05-05-2014, 12:49 PM
 
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Likely it will be government that sees cuts related to consequences if not competitive with outside areas.
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Old 05-05-2014, 01:06 PM
 
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And when the strawmen run out, the neocons scurry to another thread like mice.
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Old 05-05-2014, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I'm just curious...

....would you prefer a future with 5% unemployment or 35% unemployment, with those 30% of jobs going towards automation?

35% unemployment is going to be a lot of people on welfare...
I prefer a future of increased automation and technology. I think your assessment of the consequences of automation and technology in the long-run are flawed.
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Old 05-05-2014, 01:08 PM
 
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And when the strawmen run out, the neocons scurry to another thread like mice.
I think it's about time we had a vocabulary lesson on what strawman arguments are.
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Old 05-05-2014, 01:11 PM
 
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I prefer a future of increased automation and technology. I think your assessment of the consequences of automation and technology in the long-run are flawed.
That's interesting since I haven't really voiced an opinion on the matter.


As jobs disappear, and they will, practically every economist from all disciplines agrees, where will people earn a living?

The only sensible long term solution is a strong federal social program, where the means (and fruits) of production are controlled and owned by the public.

In about 75 years there will be nothing left to capitalize on, and the ironic "greed is good for everybody" dogma will have run its course.
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Old 05-05-2014, 01:12 PM
 
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I think it's about time we had a vocabulary lesson on what strawman arguments are.
I'd rather not, especially considering I wasn't even talking about you.

Perhaps we should have a lesson about vanity.
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Old 05-05-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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That's interesting since I haven't really voiced an opinion on the matter.
I never said you did and was responding to the other poster.

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As jobs disappear, and they will, practically every economist from all disciplines agrees, where will people earn a living?
Ideally we live in a world where people don't have to work anymore. Thanks technology! In all seriousness, there will always be jobs, you just have to refine your skills to the changing economy.

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The only sensible long term solution is a strong federal social program, where the means (and fruits) of production are controlled and owned by the public.
This has been tried and failed. It's not sensible at all.
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Old 05-05-2014, 01:34 PM
 
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I never said you did and was responding to the other poster.



Ideally we live in a world where people don't have to work anymore. Thanks technology! In all seriousness, there will always be jobs, you just have to refine your skills to the changing economy.



This has been tried and failed. It's not sensible at all.
Oh wow, writing off entire economic models now? You're just chalk full of ideas aren't you?

In case you hadn't noticed, Germany is an evil socialist nation and they're propping up the rest of the EU.


There will not always be jobs, and you can't just go to college to make them appear. Don't you think every worker is looking to train themselves in whatever the next big thing is? It doesn't make more jobs, it just makes the workplace far more competitive.

Jobs will disappear, and people will not accept a meager standard of living, especially after building wealth for capitalists the last few centuries...
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Old 05-05-2014, 01:56 PM
 
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Oh wow, writing off entire economic models now? You're just chalk full of ideas aren't you?
Yes. I am writing off socialism entirely based on its implementation and failure in eastern european countries

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In case you hadn't noticed, Germany is an evil socialist nation and they're propping up the rest of the EU.
In case you hadn't noticed Germany isn't a socialist economy and they don't have a minimum wage either (they just passed one, but doesn't go into effect until 2015. How backward of them.)


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There will not always be jobs, and you can't just go to college to make them appear.
Meh. Worked for me.


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Don't you think every worker is looking to train themselves in whatever the next big thing is?
No.

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It doesn't make more jobs, it just makes the workplace far more competitive.
The horror

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Jobs will disappear, and people will not accept a meager standard of living, especially after building wealth for capitalists the last few centuries...
Yeh? What are "people" going to do about it?
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