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robin hood is known for "stealing from the rich and giving to the poor"
who "earned it" had nothing to do with the story.
That's the soundbite they came up with when they found it took too long to tell the actual story.
It's inaccurate as usual.
In fact, "who earned it" had everything to do with the story. It just had nothing to do with the soundbite.
Check out the actual Robin Hood legends. He raided ONLY the tax collectors and treasury agents. And he gave the money ONLY to cobblers, farmers, teachers etc.
I think "Robbed from the rich and gave to the poor" was written for the TV show theme. It had little to do with what he actually did in all the original stories.
Taxation is strictly for redistribution of resources. .
Putting it in boldface doesn't make it any closer to being true.
In fact, the original purpose of taxation was to run the government. Period.
Paying the President, Congressmen, postmen etc. Building (or renting) the buildings they worked in. Buying the furniture they worked on. Paying for all that paper. Paying for troops when troops were needed.
Taxation was NOT for the purpose of government taking something from a rich guy and giving it to a poor guy so he could buy food. The Framers left that strictly for private people and groups to do... and they had to ask the donors nicely. They couldn't just announce a high tax and throw in jail the people who refused to pay it.
The Framers considerd that that money was the property of the people who earned it... NOT the property of government who could take it and do anything they wanted with it. And unlike today's socialist liberals, the Framers actually respected private property rights and considered them important.
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Putting it in boldface doesn't make it any closer to being true.
In fact, the original purpose of taxation was to run the government. Period.
Paying the President, Congressmen, postmen etc. Building (or renting) the buildings they worked in. Buying the furniture they worked on. Paying for all that paper. Paying for troops when troops were needed.
Taxation was NOT for the purpose of government taking something from a rich guy and giving it to a poor guy so he could buy food. The Framers left that strictly for provate people and groups to do... and they had to ask the donors nicely. They couldn't just announce a high tax and throw in jail the people who refused to pay it.
The Framers considerd that that money was the property of the people who earned it... NOT the property of government who could take it and do anything they wanted with it. And unlike today's socialist liberals, the Framers actually respected private property rights and considered them important.
For starters, learn the definition of the word socialism. I am a liberal and no way do I advocate socialism over capitalism.
Secondly, the original purpose of taxation is irrelevant. Today, all government expenditures are on the basis of printed money. The government doesn't need a cent in taxes to run. Governments issue their own free floating digital currency limitlessly. Taxes are purely for deflation and redistribution of resources.
Let us not forget the preamble of the Constitution.. "promote the General Welfare." A United States Dollar doesn't actually represent anything (nor does any dollar in this world). The government today is functionally different from a government pre-1971. The Framers existed over 200 years ago so I suggest you remove them from your memory. None of their tangible representations of a sovereign nation are relevant today. Get over it and accept it.
In fact, the original purpose of taxation was to run the government. Period.
Paying the President, Congressmen, postmen etc. Building (or renting) the buildings they worked in. Buying the furniture they worked on. Paying for all that paper. Paying for troops when troops were needed.
Taxation was NOT for the purpose of government taking something from a rich guy and giving it to a poor guy so he could buy food. The Framers left that strictly for private people and groups to do... and they had to ask the donors nicely.
Secondly, the original purpose of taxation is irrelevant.
TRANSLATION: Hey, quit accusing us of the crimes we're committing by hijacking legitimate taxes and spending them instead on vote-buying! We demand that you join us in pretending there was never a legitimate purpose for taxation!
That's the soundbite they came up with when they found it took too long to tell the actual story.
who is "they" ?
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Check out the actual Robin Hood legends. He raided ONLY the tax collectors and treasury agents. And he gave the money ONLY to cobblers, farmers, teachers etc.
Source to the "actual robin hood legends" ?
presumably you have them offhand, being the self-proclaimed expert on robin hood.
TRANSLATION: Hey, quit accusing us of the crimes we're committing by hijacking legitimate taxes and spending them instead on vote-buying! We demand that you join us in pretending there was never a legitimate purpose for taxation!
Social welfare isn't "vote buying." It is the government's damn job. Why does government exist?!
Actually, it's forbidden to the Federal govt by the U.S. Constitution. But the states and localities can do it if they want.
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Why does government exist?!
"All men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. To secure these rights, governments are instituted among men." - T. Jefferson, Declaration of Independence
There you go. The purpose of government is to protect our rights, and make sure no one messes with them.
"Welfare" (i.e. our well-being) isn't mentioned. That part is up to us, not up to government.
Actually, it's forbidden to the Federal govt by the U.S. Constitution. But the states and localities can do it if they want.
"All men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. To secure these rights, governments are instituted among men." - T. Jefferson, Declaration of Independence
There you go. The purpose of government is to protect our rights, and make sure no one messes with them.
"Welfare" (i.e. our well-being) isn't mentioned. That part is up to us, not up to government.
Any other questions you need answered?
Welfare (general welfare) is mentioned several times, and it is debatable whether or not welfare programs fall under 'promoting general welfare'. Does it benefit the nation as whole if we keep people from starving to death? Many would argue yes, and some would argue no. Does educating kids promote general welfare of the nation? Certainly. So, it is debatable, but your claim about it being forbidden is not accurate.
Welfare (general welfare) is mentioned several times, and it is debatable whether or not welfare programs fall under 'promoting general welfare'. Does it benefit the nation as whole if we keep people from starving to death? Many would argue yes, and some would argue no. Does educating kids promote general welfare of the nation? Certainly. So, it is debatable, but your claim about it being forbidden is not accurate.
When the Constitution was written, "General Welfare" meant that every American received the same benefit from a program. Different from "local welfare", which meant that only cetain individuals or groups received benefits.
Taking tax money to give food (or education etc.) to only certain people (such as the starving, or the young) constitutes "local welfare", and is forbidden to the Fed govt. Meaning, it is left up to the states or the people to do if they want.
Apparently the liberals in the European Unions didn't do too well in their English Literature class, if they ever took one.
They're talking about creating yet another tax (that's not the surprise), to divert part of every financial transaction into government coffers.
The weird part is, they're apparently calling it the "Robin Hood" levy.
They got it backward, of course. Robin Hood was a literary character who took money from the government tax collectors and treasury agents, and gave it back to the people it had been taken from as taxes.
Not the other way around, as these EU functional illiterates are doing. Robin Hood was, in fact, a conservative. These EU tax-and-spenders are anything but.
Perhaps if they called it the Sheriff of Nottingham tax, it would clear up the confusion. Or, in consideration of their bumbling ineptness, the "Sir Guy of Gisborne" levy. At least it would be more accurate, as English literature goes.
Europe debate over ‘Robin Hood’ levy is taxing reality
By Alex Barker in Brussels
If political hype could be taxed, then the fuss over the EU’s planned financial transaction tax might generate enough cash to settle the bloc’s debt crisis.
The proposed levy on trading in stocks, bonds and derivatives has been billed as the fiscal reckoning for the financial sector’s sins. For three years, it has been snarled in EU wrangling that has taken on a life of its own. More than just a simple tax, the FTT has become the vehicle for assorted national myths.
For its Franco-German backers, this so-called “Robin Hood tax” burnishes their credentials as scourges of high finance and speculation. For the British, meanwhile, it is a test of their mettle as defenders of the City of London against meddlesome initiatives from Brussels and the continent.
This tax is equivalent to the proposed Wall St. sales tax here in the US, which taxes derivatives transactions. Apparently, from the tone of your post, you want the bankers to have complete reign and to have as little taxes levied on them as possible. Am I right?
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