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Old 05-06-2014, 04:39 AM
 
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Pure speculation, on my part, but Manchin is frustrated.

Manchin wants Reid and Boehner to work together. He is a conservative Democrat in a conservative state. He has criticized Obama regularly. He is frustrated that Keystone has been hogtied. He complains about Obamacare. He admits that Obama lies - often.

If the GOP were to get to 50 seats, you might see him flip to a caucusing Independent to give them outright control -- sort of like how the GOP had a Senator defect to a Democrat caucusing Independent to give the Democrats control in 2001 and break a 50-50 tie.
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Old 05-06-2014, 04:43 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Do not understand why he wants Keystone, would mean lower coal use, more UE in WV. Last time I was in WV the idea that big oil was helping them had died.
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Old 05-06-2014, 04:46 AM
 
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Do not understand why he wants Keystone, would mean lower coal use, more UE in WV. Last time I was in WV the idea that big oil was helping them had died.
Because its cheaper and safer than shipping by train.
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Old 05-06-2014, 06:52 AM
 
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Do not understand why he wants Keystone, would mean lower coal use, more UE in WV. Last time I was in WV the idea that big oil was helping them had died.
The problem with Democrat control of the Senate is that Harry Reid allows Obama to continue the administration's war on coal and coal workers without any checks or oversight.
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Old 05-06-2014, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Wait???? Dod the OP say that Manchin criticized Obama? Well he must be a racist then.
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:05 AM
 
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conservative elected officials don't want to compromise. They say this all the time.

For example, the Democratic party wants to raise taxes on wealthy individuals and conservatives want to cut so called entitlements, there could be a compromise. Yet time after time after time conservative elected officials reject compromise you can't work together when one side views compromise as losing and capitulation.

Look at the legislative record of the conservatives in government right now, conservatives were essentially saying if the President and the Democratic party doesn't do what we want without compromise we conservatives are willing to default on our nation's debt and shut down the government.

conservatives caused repeated crisis showdowns that hurt the US economy. Only after the President and the Democrats in Congress decided to punk the conservatives did they stop their ridiculous extortion tactics over the federal budget and the debt limit.

This is how conservatives have governed. The possibility of working together is not likely as long as the republican party is ruled by conservatives.
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Pure speculation, on my part, but Manchin is frustrated.

Manchin wants Reid and Boehner to work together. He is a conservative Democrat in a conservative state. He has criticized Obama regularly. He is frustrated that Keystone has been hogtied. He complains about Obamacare. He admits that Obama lies - often.

If the GOP were to get to 50 seats, you might see him flip to a caucusing Independent to give them outright control -- sort of like how the GOP had a Senator defect to a Democrat caucusing Independent to give the Democrats control in 2001 and break a 50-50 tie.

I doubt it. While Manchin is certainly more conservative than most Democrats, he isn't quite on par with what Jeffords was with the GOP in 2001. He tends to be a bit more liberal on most fiscal matters, including the recent minimim wage issue, in which he voiced frustration over the GOP filibuster.
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:33 AM
 
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conservative elected officials don't want to compromise. They say this all the time.

For example, the Democratic party wants to raise taxes on wealthy individuals and conservatives want to cut so called entitlements, there could be a compromise. Yet time after time after time conservative elected officials reject compromise you can't work together when one side views compromise as losing and capitulation.

Look at the legislative record of the conservatives in government right now, conservatives were essentially saying if the President and the Democratic party doesn't do what we want without compromise we conservatives are willing to default on our nation's debt and shut down the government.

conservatives caused repeated crisis showdowns that hurt the US economy. Only after the President and the Democrats in Congress decided to punk the conservatives did they stop their ridiculous extortion tactics over the federal budget and the debt limit.

This is how conservatives have governed. The possibility of working together is not likely as long as the republican party is ruled by conservatives.
Bingo.

Conservatism and compromise cannot coexist. Conservatives value ideological purity over results. Anyone who deviates from that is dubbed a liberal "RINO."

I make no mistake of voicing my concern that not only is conservatism the opposite of compromise... the conservative platform is based entirely on repealing and / or regressing all liberal progress. That is simply bad for America.
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:37 AM
 
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Bingo.

Conservatism and compromise cannot coexist. Conservatives value ideological purity over results. Anyone who deviates from that is dubbed a liberal "RINO."

I make no mistake of voicing my concern that not only is conservatism the opposite of compromise... the conservative platform is based entirely on repealing and / or regressing all liberal progress. That is simply bad for America.
Yes, conservatives/libertarians are much more ideological when compared to Democrats and even liberals.

conservativesd have a bunch of dogmatic beliefs about American governance that simply are held as the truth ordained by the founding fathers.


This doesn't add up to a group that wants to compromise.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:22 AM
 
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Pure speculation, on my part, but Manchin is frustrated.

Manchin wants Reid and Boehner to work together. He is a conservative Democrat in a conservative state. He has criticized Obama regularly. He is frustrated that Keystone has been hogtied. He complains about Obamacare. He admits that Obama lies - often.

If the GOP were to get to 50 seats, you might see him flip to a caucusing Independent to give them outright control -- sort of like how the GOP had a Senator defect to a Democrat caucusing Independent to give the Democrats control in 2001 and break a 50-50 tie.
According to the link you posted (and everything I've read about Manchin) - he is likely to leave the Senate instead of defecting to the Republicans. Manchin isn't afraid to vote with the GOP, he doesn't have to join them. He is an old style Democrat, as opposed to the new style Leftist that move like Sheep. He is up for re-election in 2018 and is most likely to do whatever he believes is best for his State. Manchin might switch parties if he thinks that is in his interest long term - he is a long term Politician from a long term Political Family. He won't do it just because the GOP takes the Senate.

There is a Senator that has already announced he will "switch" if the GOP win the Senate - the Senator from Maine that was elected as an 'independent' and now caucuses with the Democrats.
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