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A few weeks ago I was watching an episode of Cosmos that dealt with Lead. It was mainly about a scientists warning about the harmful effect of lead, and how it was prevalent in our environment. Of course, those that mined lead or used it in their products (including gasoline companies) went to great lengths to negate the scientistic findings, much like the tobacco industry.
I well recall how all gasoline was 'leaded', as was paint and other products. Indeed, here on CD we have had threads concerning research that indicates that exposure to lead may have contributed to the rise of criminal activity (due to its effect on the brain).
The denialist claim that AGW is some how the result on natural cycles has been completely debunked over and over and over again by actual science. If you're going to lie then at least be smart enough to use a line which hasn't already been debunked a million times.
It hasn't been debunked. Actually it's quite the opposite. The Doomsdayers have been debunked time and time again. EVERY SINGLE prediction they have made for the last century hasn't turned out how they predicted. The science is flawed.
It hasn't been debunked. Actually it's quite the opposite. The Doomsdayers have been debunked time and time again. EVERY SINGLE prediction they have made for the last century hasn't turned out how they predicted. The science is flawed.
This simply isn't true.
There was a single group among thousands who said something about the Earth cooling in the future and it was in the media for 2 weeks. Denialists latched onto that and hyped it up until people like you believed it was a consensus. Or they took one of many predictions based on variations (usually worst case scenarios given as having a low likelihood of occurring) and pretended that they were the only scenarios being presented.
Most of the predictions given as having the greatest probability of occurring have in fact occurred.
IMO, "big tobacco" is no more of a danger than "big insurance".
I have always found it interesting that during my entire life, cigarettes were know as "cancer sticks" and "coffin nails", and high school athletes were forbidden to smoke, yet people claimed "I didn't KNOW smoking was unhealthy, BIG TOBACCO hid the facts!"
IMO, that is unmitigated BS!
However, comparing cancer to a pearl leaves one knowing that a pearl can be cut in half to find out what made it grow. A cancer can not.
Smokers get lung cancer. So do non-smokers. WHY is unknown. While it would appear that there is a correlation between smoking tobacco and getting lung cancer (more smokers get it than non-smokers), I'm not sure there is a provable causation.
There is no doubt that tobacco is not good for a person.
There is a lot of doubt about the causes of global warming, and a lot of doubt about what (if anything) can be done about it.
Any idiot knew that smoking was not good for you, the people selling the tobacco never fooled anyone into thinking that smoking was harmless. So this comparison to tobacco is just as insulting as the compairison to holocaust deniers
There was a single group among thousands who said something about the Earth cooling in the future and it was in the media for 2 weeks. Denialists latched onto that and hyped it up until people like you believed it was a consensus. Or they took one of many predictions based on variations (usually worst case scenarios given as having a low likelihood of occurring) and pretended that they were the only scenarios being presented.
Most of the predictions given as having the greatest probability of occurring have in fact occurred.
No they definitely have not. Please list them with CREDIBLE links so I can laugh and debunk them.
Interesting you are making this analogy because it was leaked internal documents that were plastered all over the news that ultimately put the nails in the coffin for the tobacco industry. On the other hand it took 14 days before climategate was even mentioned by any major network.
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"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't."
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“It would be nice to try to “contain” the putative “Medieval Warm Period”
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“We also have a Data Protection Act, which I will hide behind.”
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“If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This isn’t being political, it is being selfish.”
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“In our discussion of possible participants in Bern…the last two on the list (with question marks) would be unwise choices because they are likely to cause conflict than to contribute to consensus and progress.”
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“Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith regarding the latest (IPCC) report? Keith will do likewise…Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same?…We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.”
Any idiot knew that smoking was not good for you, the people selling the tobacco never fooled anyone into thinking that smoking was harmless. So this comparison to tobacco is just as insulting as the compairison to holocaust deniers
You haven't met some of those MOUNTAIN DEW drinkers from Appalachia have you?
The flip side of the man caused global warming argument is this. It started in about 1730.
What kind of impact were we having then?
If you look in the peat bogs in England you can see the soot line from the industrial revolution. If the peat is black now then the snow on top of the peat should have been black then. clean white snow is the most light reflective surface on earth. Soot is one of the darkest. paint the snow black and see what happens to global temperatures.
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The Tobacco Industry Used The Same PR Strategy As AGW Denialists
