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View Poll Results: Should concealed weapons be allowed on campus and should gun free zones be elminated?
Yes - those with CCW permits should be allowed on campus 31 55.36%
No - no concealed weapons should be allowed on campus 26 46.43%
Yes - the mall gun free zones should be eliminated 15 26.79%
No - Keep the gun free zones in malls 14 25.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-11-2007, 01:06 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Originally Posted by bily4 View Post
People seem awful confident that jilted lovers and trivial arguments might not get escalated to deadly force and that suicides might not increase if hundreds of still developing minds all carried weapons around to campus and Keg parties.
Do jilted lovers,keg parties and trivial arguments not exist in the rest of society?

Why would there be any difference between society and universities?

 
Old 12-11-2007, 01:08 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Yes, but if everyone had a gun and one person drew and fired theirs in public, you'd have everyone shooting at him/her and others will get hurt in the crossfire.
Why doesn't this happen more in places where gun ownership and the carrying of guns is more prevalent than perhaps your area?

CCW means concealed...no-one knows who is carrying and who is not.
 
Old 12-11-2007, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Do jilted lovers,keg parties and trivial arguments not exist in the rest of society?

Why would there be any difference between society and universities?

The difference is they are college kids. They have higher incidences of depression, mental issues and suicide today than in general society.
 
Old 12-11-2007, 01:16 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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The difference is they are college kids. They have higher incidences of depression, mental issues and suicide today than in general society.
But general society is also comprised of college aged kids....

As is the military.
 
Old 12-11-2007, 01:18 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Can anyone explain HOW making an area 'gun free' will stop a criminal from possessing a gun?

Also if an area was made 'gun free' would it not be more appealing to criminals,afterall the law abiding people would have left their guns at home...
 
Old 12-11-2007, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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But general society is also comprised of college aged kids....

As is the military.

Obviously the environment is different.

Adding guns to the mix seems at least to me would lend itself to a lot more enabled suicides and tragedies.

One third of college students have symptoms of serious mental illness... and you want to let them now all carry guns around openly?

If we need to now have our kids qualified at the range before sending them off to college that seems... just a bit twisted.


» Nationwide, a 2004 study reported that one-third of students reported symptoms of serious mental illness.

» At Middlebury College -- an institution that is, perhaps, not unlike many small schools -- staff estimated that from 33 percent to 40 percent of students received counseling during the last academic year; nationwide, 9 percent of college students sought counseling in 2006.

» Suicide is the second-leading killer of college-age students, averaging roughly 1,100 deaths in recent years. Studies show that 10 percent consider ending their lives, while about 1.5 percent attempt the act each year.

» Depression appears to be the leading reason for seeking counseling. In 2004, the percentage of students counseled for depression reached 14.9 percent, the College Mental Health Association said. One study noted that 45.1 percent of students felt so depressed that it was difficult to function, and 15 percent met the criteria for clinical depression.

The rise in mental illness may be caused by one of, or a mix of, the following: the stress of college; parental and peer pressure; alcohol and drug use; and the age of terrorism. Of particular concern for people from Hawaii, Asian-American women ages 15-24 have the highest suicide rate of women of any race or ethnic group in that age range. This is often attributed to "model minority pressure" -- the pressure that some Asian Americans put on their children to excel in school and later in their careers, and the fact that Asian-American parents tend to more strict with girls than boys.

Whatever the reasons, more students with mental health problems are heading for college because they are now on anti-depressants.


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Old 12-11-2007, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Can anyone explain HOW making an area 'gun free' will stop a criminal from possessing a gun?

How many criminals actually possess and use guns? Why haven't you considered this aspect? You might be surprised. Facts, please. You might be solving a mosquito problem with an elephant gun. It is too easy to ask a misleading and inflammatory question.
 
Old 12-11-2007, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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How many criminals actually possess and use guns? .
Tell that to the survivors at VT

Or, the Mall shooting

Or Columbine

Or the Church shootings

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Old 12-11-2007, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Tell that to the survivors at VT

Or, the Mall shooting

Or Columbine

Or the Church shootings

..................
Inflammatory cop-out answer. what are the facts? Gun lovers think that guns must be faced down with MORE GUNS. How convenient for them! Don't they understand the logic of the whole question? We need MORE GUNS because there are people out there, for instance, with mental illnesses (mall shooting, Columbine, church shooting)? No, you treat the mental illnesses, NOT ARM THE CAMPUS!

1. Reduce the total number of guns.
2. Address social ills by addressing root causes.
 
Old 12-11-2007, 01:36 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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It might very well be possible that a mentally ill person in college would use the gun they are legally allowed to possess(if allowed) to kill themselves.

It is a simple fact that a mentally ill person in college DID use a gun they legally could not possess to kill 30+ other people.
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