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Old 05-10-2014, 06:32 PM
 
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My school didnt fail me. I graduated high school with a College Preparatory Diploma in 2010 and graduated college last summer with honors.
Good for you........not the point. It appears college doesn't teach much to kids either.
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Old 05-10-2014, 06:32 PM
 
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One part of it that is often overlooked is how vouchers are allocated. Can anyone get one? If so, the money will quickly run out because kids who are already enrolled in private schools will be eligible and will be drawing from the pot of resources, potentially decimating public education budgets before a single student is relocated from a failing public school.
You overlooked the part about the voucher being used at either a public or private school.

The PA plan at first would have targeted just the worst districts in the state which were typically the poorest. I'm not sure it would have worked because they only would have had the state funding which is about $7K. How many of those students would have been able to find alternate schools is questionable. Assuming it did work well the district would of lost the state funding but since they are losing a student would of had more funds per student.

Under what I would suggest I'd give them the full amount which comes out to about $15K on average in PA. If you're in a district where the schools are good they should be fine and could even see an increase in students. Decimating failing districts under what I would propose is an intended consequence. It's unlikely the private sector is going to try and move in on districts performing well but instead go after the low hanging fruit in the worse ones. You'd have some kind performance threshold and those failing districts would eventually have to be dissolved.
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Old 05-10-2014, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Good for you........not the point. It appears college doesn't teach much to kids either.
It was his point. But you can pretend it wasnt. What ever makes you feel better.
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Old 05-10-2014, 06:37 PM
 
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You overlooked the part about the voucher being used at either a public or private school.

The PA plan at first would have targeted just the worst districts in the state which were typically the poorest. I'm not sure it would have worked because they only would have had the state funding which is about $7K. How many of those students would have been able to find alternate schools is questionable. Assuming it did work well the district would of lost the state funding but since they are losing a student would of had more funds per student.

Under what I would suggest I'd give them the full amount which comes out to about $15K on average. If you're in a district where the schools are good they should be fine and could even see an increase in students. Decimating failing districts under what I would propose is an intended consequence. It's unlikely the private sector is going to try and move in on districts performing well but instead go after the low hanging fruit in the worse ones. You'd have some kind performance threshold and those failing districts would eventually have to be dissolved.
Vouchers would cost a lot of bad teachers their jobs............why it is resisted. March on union........on the heads of children.
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Old 05-10-2014, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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You overlooked the part about the voucher being used at either a public or private school.

The PA plan at first would have targeted just the worst districts in the state which were typically the poorest. I'm not sure it would have worked because they only would have had the state funding which is about $7K. How many of those students would have been able to find alternate schools is questionable. Assuming it did work well the district would of lost the state funding but since they are losing a student would of had more funds per student.

Under what I would suggest I'd give them the full amount which comes out to about $15K on average in PA. If you're in a district where the schools are good they should be fine and could even see an increase in students. Decimating failing districts under what I would propose is an intended consequence. It's unlikely the private sector is going to try and move in on districts performing well but instead go after the low hanging fruit in the worse ones. You'd have some kind performance threshold and those failing districts would eventually have to be dissolved.
I did address it, look back at my post.

Answer honestly - how openly would the people in your good school district embrace the idea of expanding to include an influx of students from surrounding districts that are failing?
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Old 05-10-2014, 08:24 PM
 
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Answer honestly - how openly would the people in your good school district embrace the idea of expanding to include an influx of students from surrounding districts that are failing?
Wads of cash on the table is fairly good enticement and it's far more efficient to teach more students if you are getting the same per pupil. That said you wouldn't force a district into accepting anyone.

Like I said this is just an outline of what I would suggest, it's a starting point. There is huge amount issues that would need to be addressed. Special ed., transportation etc.

The bottom line for me is to get both public and private schools to compete for students. We have a vo-tech school here that all the districts in the area fund. Any student from one of those districts can go there. Let's expand on that, if you have multiple districts and private schools competing for students you have incentive for them to cater to the students needs. Perhaps one might focus on music and the arts, perhaps another may focus on science, another focuses on engineering...
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Old 05-10-2014, 08:48 PM
 
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Money...............is stopping.

Do you even know the dollar per student these states get? For public?

Now I sent mine to private but couldn't afford it anymore it's either grade and high school or college. I chose college and we went to a different district. You even have kids and understand what is going on in school?

My kids are so bored my son knows more about science then the teacher does in 8th grade. I sent an email to the admin who wanted to put him in detention for doing so and told her I would come and talk to her...........haven't heard back. Neither has he and still haven't heard back about any detention. These teachers are the bullies......many of em. When they get called on it they crap and run. It's pathetic. They think they can run around pushing kids. BS. I tell mine to always question if you have one............mine is smarter than them and they got mad.
A kid in my daughter's class was the same way. He was way smarter than everyone else and was bored so he acted up. And yes he got detention too. But teachers aren't bullies. They are dealing with 30 plus kids with different learning abilities. It's really difficult for one person to teach at every level. They need parent involvement. I always volunteered in my kids classes. I would either help with a group who had difficulty catching on or a group that was advanced. Parent involvement means all the difference.
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Old 05-10-2014, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Democrats are for making public schools better, not "protecting" them.
Exactly. Republicans are often for just eliminating education altogether or worse privatizing it so that everyone ends up paying for private religious schools often which are not even providing real education at all. No modern biology, no modern geology or physics or physical sciences, no science at all really, nothing but the bible and the claim that Jesus road dinosaurs. If you want your children to be such idiots then you're free to do so but stop demanding the rest of us pay for your private religious beliefs.
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Old 05-10-2014, 09:05 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Choice makes our universities the best on earth
Lack of choice makes k12 the worst
Let's change it
Voucher system
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Old 05-10-2014, 09:10 PM
 
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Exactly. Republicans are often for just eliminating education altogether or worse privatizing it so that everyone ends up paying for private religious schools often which are not even providing real education at all. No modern biology, no modern geology or physics or physical sciences, no science at all really, nothing but the bible and the claim that Jesus road dinosaurs. If you want your children to be such idiots then you're free to do so but stop demanding the rest of us pay for your private religious beliefs.
Considering that Catholic schools make up the majority of religious schools in this country, have the same or better performance than public schools and teach all those things including evolution I guess you would be wrong yet again.

Comparing Catholic schools to public schools is somewhat of joke, even the worse ones are not going to come anywhere near the low performance levels at the worse public ones.
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