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Old 05-13-2014, 12:52 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It's not in a public school's DNA. Tell me, in high school math, are the kids trying to master geometry in the same math class as those taking pre calculus? They are not. Are there AP classes in most medium to large middle and high schools? There are. The schools are capable of doing this and already do so to some extent.
Are any of those classes grouped by ability? Or are they mixed-ability, thereby lowering the level of instruction to focus on getting the struggling to succeed?

Example:
More schools opening Advanced Placement courses to all students - Los Angeles Times
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Old 05-13-2014, 05:50 AM
 
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And the answer is No. Parent involvement is the key with education.
Not necessarily so. As I noted I followed the attempts to reform the Cleveland school system. There was a percentage of families that wanted to get their kids out of the system and they came up with some alternatives. If a parent cares enough to get this involved obviously they are getting involved. So if a percentage that cared could pull their kids and place them together somewhere else the chance of them all doing better is pretty good.

Unfortunately the alternative was a charter school and as it ended up, those running the charter school were every bit as corrupt as those running the regular public schools.
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Old 05-13-2014, 05:58 AM
 
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That's it. There are some legitimate arguments for creating ways to get kids out of some failing systems but his argument is about politics, not the kids.
Yes, it seems so.
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Old 05-13-2014, 06:05 AM
 
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Pretty much everything. It's Democrats who overwhelmingly oppose school choice/vouchers. Why? Because doing so guarantees Democrats a high-percentage dumbed down and impoverished voter base. I can post the stats, if you wish.
There aren't any stats that you can post to back up your claim. So don't bother.

First not all Democrats oppose vouchers or charter schools. There is a strong presence within the Democratic party for some kind of school reform.

Again, I think the Democrats who do oppose school vouchers at best see vouchers as helping a very small percentage of economically poor students at the expense of the overwhelming number of students who will end up going to public schools while depraving those schools of funding,
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Old 05-13-2014, 06:43 AM
 
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Not necessarily so. As I noted I followed the attempts to reform the Cleveland school system. There was a percentage of families that wanted to get their kids out of the system and they came up with some alternatives. If a parent cares enough to get this involved obviously they are getting involved. So if a percentage that cared could pull their kids and place them together somewhere else the chance of them all doing better is pretty good.
Exactly.

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Unfortunately the alternative was a charter school and as it ended up, those running the charter school were every bit as corrupt as those running the regular public schools.
That's exactly why there needs to be unrestricted choice. Restricting choices only sets up the same problems with corruption and unaccountability that we currently have in U.S. public schools. Restricted choices are still a 'captive audience' situation. Doomed from the start to fail.
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Old 05-13-2014, 06:50 AM
 
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There aren't any stats that you can post to back up your claim. So don't bother.
Let's take a look at how minority families feel about that...
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"Pro-voucher voters among racial minorities overwhelmingly support Barack Obama, but they are baffled by the Democratic nominee's opposition to vouchers. They also say they are frustrated that Democratic leaders appear to be more concerned about keeping the peace with teachers unions -- which adamantly oppose vouchers -- than about finding alternatives that could advance desperately needed education reforms for minority students.

...Public opinion polls also show solid support for school vouchers among minority parents. Sixty-five percent of adult African-Americans and 63 percent of adult Hispanics favor the use of vouchers, according to a national survey conducted earlier this year under the auspices of the journal Education Next and the Program on Education Policy and Governance at Harvard University. In the survey, more than half of minority adults gave higher marks to their local police than their public schools.

"There is no doubt that on this issue, ...Obama has it wrong," Martin wrote."
Education Reform - Obama Questioned On Vouchers


House GOP to push for school vouchers

Obama, Dems wrong to kill school vouchers - CNN.com
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Old 05-13-2014, 07:14 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It has nothing to do with the politics of a particular area and everything to do with property values.

Funding for public schools usually comes from property taxes. In areas where property values are low, there isn't much funding and education suffers.

Schools in poor rural areas aren't doing that great either.

Here's a list of the 10 worst states as far as schools go:

Education: The 10 states with the worst scoring schools - Chicago Top News | Examiner.com

  1. Mississippi
  2. Louisiana
  3. New Mexico
  4. West Virginia
  5. Alabama
  6. Alaska
  7. South Carolina
  8. South Dakota
  9. Michigan
  10. Oklahoma
Here's a list of the 25 worst performing schools in the US. Practically half of them are located in South Carolina:


25 Worst Performing Public Schools in the U.S.


Also on the list, those bastions of liberalness, South Dakota, Wisconsin and Arizona.

Ya, the worst performing school districts in the nation, spend an average of $20,000 per student a year.

Private Christian school, cost a parent $320 a month, here. Get this, they graduate 100% with 98% off to college.



How is this possible?
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Old 05-13-2014, 07:29 AM
 
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Schools are prisons for smart children nowdays.
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Old 05-13-2014, 09:43 AM
 
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They actually don't care about academic achievement. They want them dumb so they can't think for themselves and are easier to indoctrinate. These schools along with our universities are the EXACT reason we have such crybabies in this country and everyone is offended. It's all done by design. A divided grievous society is not united. When we are not united, Totalitarianism takes hold. Again, ALL by design from the Progressives, AKA STATISTS.
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Old 05-13-2014, 01:09 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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My school didnt fail me. I graduated high school with a College Preparatory Diploma in 2010 and graduated college last summer with honors.
Get over yourself. What's the graduation rate for all blacks in America coming out of the public school system?
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