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Old 05-10-2014, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Keystone shouldn't happen.
Why?
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Old 05-10-2014, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Keystone shouldn't happen.
If you're a liberal I guess that makes sense. You wouldn't want people to get jobs and become self sufficient. Or to create wealth and make the continent less dependent on foreign sources of energy. Or to be able to reduce cash flow from our country to countries that have abuse human rights.

Yet still...Keystone would be a massive source of tax revenue. The cognitive dissidence must be painful.
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Old 05-10-2014, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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If you're a liberal I guess that makes sense. You wouldn't want people to get jobs and become self sufficient. Or to create wealth and make the continent less dependent on foreign sources of energy. Or to be able to reduce cash flow from our country to countries that have abuse human rights.

Yet still...Keystone would be a massive source of tax revenue. The cognitive dissidence must be painful.
First it would be running an oil pipeline over an important aquifer, then the jobs it would create would be temporary at best, and we already have a pipeline running from Canada to the US, this pipeline would just be used to ship oil to Texas so that it could be sold at international market prices. It would have little to no benefit to Americans.
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Old 05-10-2014, 12:08 PM
 
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shipping oil through pipeline is lot safer than trucking, we are talking about 46,000 jobs related to the pipeline
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Old 05-10-2014, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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If you're a liberal I guess that makes sense. You wouldn't want people to get jobs and become self sufficient. Or to create wealth and make the continent less dependent on foreign sources of energy. Or to be able to reduce cash flow from our country to countries that have abuse human rights.

Yet still...Keystone would be a massive source of tax revenue. The cognitive dissidence must be painful.
Canda is a foreign source of energy.
I love it when righties crow about becoming energy-independent with Canadian oil.
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Old 05-10-2014, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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shipping oil through pipeline is lot safer than trucking, we are talking about 46,000 jobs related to the pipeline
Safer doesn't mean safe, and when it means running it over an aquifer, not something worth risking. As for the jobs it would create, the number is debatable and almost all are temporary jobs. We could spend money on repairing our infrastructure to create more temporary jobs if that is the big concern.
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Old 05-10-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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Safer doesn't mean safe, and when it means running it over an aquifer, not something worth risking. As for the jobs it would create, the number is debatable and almost all are temporary jobs. We could spend money on repairing our infrastructure to create more temporary jobs if that is the big concern.
All pipes run over aquifers.

What changes is how deep they are.
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Old 05-10-2014, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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A really good article on how one conservative Nebraska rancher killed Keystone.
It's long but worth the read. Lots of fun facts and figures.

The untold story of Keystone - Macleans.ca
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Old 05-10-2014, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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The landowners had another concern that went beyond property rights: water. Much of Nebraska sits on top of the giant Ogallala Aquifer, a formation of shale and gravel that holds fresh water like a giant, underground sponge. The water table here is so high farmers can hit water when digging post-holes in the spring. Agriculture in the state depends on the water pumped up from the earth. On Thompson’s small farm, a 30-foot-deep well pumps 4,500 gallons per minute. A pinhole leak in the pipe, he worried, could contaminate his well and leave his entire land useless. TransCanada’s additional safety enhancements like additional remote-controlled shutoff valves and increased inspections didn’t persuade him. “If it’s buried on your property, that’s going to be a constant worry for the rest of your life,” says Thompson.
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The Enbridge spill highlighted a worrisome feature of diluted bitumen—it behaved differently from conventional oil when spilled into water. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency would later report: “In that spill, oil sands crude sank to the bottom of the Kalamazoo River, mixing with the river bottom’s sediment and organic matter, making the oil difficult to find and recover.” The Michigan cleanup would take more than three years and required the dredging of river bottom sediments because “the oil sands crude associated with the Enbridge spill will not appreciably biodegrade.”
“I thought, here we go,” says Thompson. “That could be Nebraska.
The untold story of Keystone - Macleans.ca
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Old 05-10-2014, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Sinkholeville
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Obama stabs his naïve union stooges in the back between Hollywood fundraisers, while Putin parties in Crimea. I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
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