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Uh...no. Unless you're standing right over the chainsaw, the sound shouldn't be loud enough to damage your hearing at all. But no amount of cigarette smoke is healthy.
And you see no problem with it if it's not a physically damaging sound coming from the neighbor? So If I ran a sawmill next to your home, given that the sound level intensity was not, scientifically-speaking, damaging to your hearing, you'd be fine with it?
Again, I'd take a whiff of smoke on the odd afternoon when the wind was just right over all sorts of annoying noises coming from neighbors. Believe me, I know. I'm living it right now. I wish to god the guy next door spent as much time smoking as he did terrorizing his neighbors with loud-ass machinery, dogs, stereo systems, ridiculous diesel trucks, and profanity. If I see he's smoking in his yard, I look up and say thanks because I know he won't be assaulting my ears for a few minutes. His smoking is healthy for me and my sanity.
Originally Posted by Wayland Woman Yes, I do believe that it's okay for government by and for the people to make laws based on what the majority want. Zoning laws are a good example and laws based loosely on the 10 Commandments. In order to living in a civilized society we have to agree on a certain level of governing. The struggle on how much or how little we govern is a healthy zin/yang, positive/negativity, light/darkness struggle that is as old as time itself. It will always be that way.
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
Im sorry you feel that mob rule creates civilized societies. Government schools love to teach such nonsense, it makes for good tools...er uh citizens.
If you wish to ban smoking within someone elses property, what else? The consumption of liquor, a limit on sodas, serving sizes?
Where in the ten commandments does it say thou shalt by proxy (government) govern thy neighbors home?
Go back and re-read my reply. I didn't say the Ten Commandments gives governments the right to govern our neighbors. I said that laws loosely based on the Ten Commandments---thou shall not murder, thou shall not steal---are examples things most people in civilized society agree upon and are willing to abide by for the greater good of mankind. You think all government is bad, I do not. We ban smoking in our state because the majority of people here want it that way and rather than hurt businesses, it's helped them.
We would never allow smoking in restaurants anywhere if it were something new. EVERYONE knows this, it's just perceived as a "take away" of rights since we didn't really know any better in the past. Admitting that is tough.
Like many things, it should be an activity you do when nobody else is around to be bothered.
I think smoking bans should be the choice of individual businesses. In my city, smoking is banned even in bars. The business should make this call. If a restaurant wants smoking in their establishment, then so be it. Customers should make the choice on whether or not they want to give their business to that place.
We ban smoking in our state because the majority of people here want it that way and rather than hurt businesses, it's helped them.
I'd agree that it has helped some or maybe even most businesses. But not all. Being a musician, I used to play my music in the many, many nightclubs around here. In fact, for a quite a long time, that's all I did to make money--six nights a week much of the time. Well, since the smoking ban, almost every nightclub has closed in the area. There are a handful in the entire county now. So it didn't help everyone.
For the record, no, I don't smoke. But I can see both sides of the issue because I try to take it in context beyond my personal opinion. Now, if we were talking about my personal opinion, I think smoking really stinks and is really annoying... yet, I'll argue for the right to smoke all day long. As long as the smoker is not blowing smoke in my face directly, my opinion should not dictate his/her smoking or other lifestyle issues.
I'd agree that it has helped some or maybe even most businesses. But not all. Being a musician, I used to play my music in the many, many nightclubs around here. In fact, for a quite a long time, that's all I did to make money--six nights a week much of the time. Well, since the smoking ban, almost every nightclub has closed in the area. There are a handful in the entire county now. So it didn't help everyone.
For the record, no, I don't smoke. But I can see both sides of the issue because I try to take it in context beyond my personal opinion. Now, if we were talking about my personal opinion, I think smoking really stinks and is really annoying... yet, I'll argue for the right to smoke all day long. As long as the smoker is not blowing smoke in my face directly, my opinion should not dictate his/her smoking or other lifestyle issues.
I would also argue for the right for people to smoke,... just not in a restaurant.
I don't miss the 'good old days' when the stank of cigarettes permeated every restaurant. Municipal smoking bans are as legitimate as municipal health inspections and zoning laws. It's not up to the restaurant owner to decide.
The Liberty concerns of Laissez-Faire Capitalism are supreme to any protections of the public health and welfare. There should be no regulation of restaurants whatsoever. Smoking bans, health codes, inspections, etc., are nothing but shackles enslaving us all.
I have asthma and moderate to severe allergies, both of which are bothered by cigarette smoke.
CA enacted a smoking ban in restaurants when I was a kid, but prior to that my parents had to be careful about where they took me. I remember coming home itchy-eyed and wheezing quite often.
So, naturally, I'm all for it.
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