Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
1. You've obviously not raised kids through high school. They come home from school starving. Sometimes they have lunch at 11 AM.
2. You are obviously unaware that the school is not paying for these meals. This is a USDA program. One purpose of this program is to provide markets for farmers!
Did you even read my post? I clearly stated that my oldest son graduated from high school in 2004. All of my children have graduated high school and college. But they didn't come home from school expecting dinner at 4:00!
Yes, I am aware that the government subsidizes school lunches.
I won't even ask how you drew such incorrect conclusions from my post. It's clear that you didn't read it well, and I don't want to get off on a tangent any more than you've already done.
Did you even read my post? I clearly stated that my oldest son graduated from high school in 2004. All of my children have graduated high school and college. But they didn't come home from school expecting dinner at 4:00!
Yes, I am aware that the government subsidizes school lunches.
I won't even ask how you drew such incorrect conclusions from my post. It's clear that you didn't read it well, and I don't want to get off on a tangent any more than you've already done.
Ok, my apologies, yes, I did read that about your son. It just didn't compute with the rest of your post. My kids, both female, came home from school starving. I've heard that HS boys can eat you out of house and home. They would have been fine with having dinner at 4:00. We waited for Dad, and usually had dinner by 5:30. When my kids did sports, they went to practice straight from school and got home about 7 PM. I've said several times over I would have gladly paid for them to get a decent meal at school.
If you know that school luches are govt. subsidized, what's the point of your example? Your son's school apparently didn't participate in the school lunch program; what they did was irrelevant to this discussion.
It's not illogical and irrelevant at all. Children (including myself) have managed to get by just fine for generations without the school providing dinner.
I said nothing to indicate that I "hate" anyone. Please reread my posts. I never said I was opposed to public assistance. I never said children (or anyone) shouldn't have food to eat. You seem so ready to argue that you're missing the opportunity to have respectful dialogue with people who might see things differently than you. I like to think that on any topic, people can (and should) learn from each other. We probably all have some right thinking and wrong thinking on most topics.
So.....as far as your list of questions which I answered, do you truly not see a distinction between the government providing things like public roadways (clearly we can't each have our very own personal system of roadways that we pay for with our own money) versus food, clothing, and other individual purchases that people make for their own selves? You lumped all of those things on your list together, implying that if I need the government to provide roads, then I might as well let them provide for everything I might need in life. I happen to not be socialist in my thinking; it appears that you are. The US is (supposedly) not a socialist nation, so please don't call my point of view (that the government should not provide everything for everyone) "fake and phony" and "dumb arguments."
So again what you did as a teenager is 100% irrelevant unless you are going to say schools can only run things forever and ever based on what the screen name kayanne claims to have experienced as a teenager. This is absurd and irrelevant. Move on from that point.
This whole thread is about hatred. There is nothing else.
As far as your questions, there is no difference.
Government dependence is government dependence. We are DEPENDENT on the government to provide roads. That is government dependency.
My point which you can't dispute and didn't is that as Americans were are dependent on the government in incalculable ways and people are 1000% ok with that dependency. Hell they don't even see it as dependency.
The only time some people can see government dependency is when they identify government spending going to people they hate and whom they don't want the government to help.
Of course not. It's based on TOTAL nutritional need. As such, it does NOT account for the free meals children eat at school. And people wonder why low-income kids are becoming more obese than everyone else their age.
This is hilarious. I am supplying you with the basis for the program. And you keep ignoring it.
The Thrifty Food Plan (TFP), a fundamental part of the U.S. food guidance system and the basis for maximum food stamp allotments,
Is based on the 2005 Dietary Guidelines for Americans as well as the 2005 MyPyramid Food Guidance System.
Uses the prices low-income people paid for many foods.
Uses the latest data on food consumption, nutrient content, and food prices: the 2001-
2002 National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey and 2001-2002 Food Price
Database.
Offers a more realistic reflection of the time available for food preparation, especially
with increased expectations for work in assistance programs. Hence, it allows more
prepared foods and requires somewhat fewer preparations from scratch.
Although different from the previous TFP, the revised TFP is similar in one important respect: It is set at the same inflation-adjusted cost as the previous TFP. CNPP determined it was possible, for the 2001-2002 period, to obtain a healthful diet meeting current nutritional standards at a cost equal to the previous TFP’s cost.
NHANES 2001-2002 is a complex, multistage probability sample of the civilian non- institutionalized population of the United States. This survey provides information on people’s consumption of foods and nutrients, as well as extensive health-related data and information about Americans’ demographic and socioeconomic characteristics.
This whole thread is about hatred. There is nothing else.
The only time some people can see government dependency is when they identify government spending going to people they hate and whom they don't want the government to help.
Really, hatred....
More like pissed off.
It's fine to help kids with nutrition and meals, but school is not a 24/7 nursery. That is not how it works.
You know everyone wants the best for their kids. They want the best schools, the best food, the
best athletic uniforms, etc. But other folks shouldn't have to pay for it.
My mom used to tell me, It wasn't my idea to....
Another words, they are your kids, you take care of your kids, it is your responsibility.
While everyone goes on about how convenient it is to have them eat at school for extra
activities, the inconvenient truth for them is, it is not a necessity. It is a luxury.
A luxury a stranger is paying for.
I never hear these people that are taking, ever talking about what THEY are giving.
And, don't dare say kids, because they are not all that
Esp. if we are going to raise them void of the definition of self reliance.
Double-dipping at the taxpayers' expense. They're getting benefits for the same meals twice. Could be contributing to the obesity epidemic among the no/low-income.
Oh, please.
You want to do something about people bilking the taxpayers? Start by looking at the financial industry.
Ok, my apologies, yes, I did read that about your son. It just didn't compute with the rest of your post. My kids, both female, came home from school starving. I've heard that HS boys can eat you out of house and home. They would have been fine with having dinner at 4:00. We waited for Dad, and usually had dinner by 5:30. When my kids did sports, they went to practice straight from school and got home about 7 PM. I've said several times over I would have gladly paid for them to get a decent meal at school.
If you know that school luches are govt. subsidized, what's the point of your example? Your son's school apparently didn't participate in the school lunch program; what they did was irrelevant to this discussion.
The point of my example was that it was part of my answer to someone who asked me if I think schools need to provide meals. I think it is good that most do, but my example was used to show that it is not an utter and complete necessity. That is all.
It's fine to help kids with nutrition and meals, but school is not a 24/7 nursery. That is not how it works.
You know everyone wants the best for their kids. They want the best schools, the best food, the
best athletic uniforms, etc. But other folks shouldn't have to pay for it.
My mom used to tell me, It wasn't my idea to....
Another words, they are your kids, you take care of your kids, it is your responsibility.
While everyone goes on about how convenient it is to have them eat at school for extra
activities, the inconvenient truth for them is, it is not a necessity. It is a luxury.
A luxury a stranger is paying for.
I never hear these people that are taking, ever talking about what THEY are giving.
And, don't dare say kids, because they are not all that
Esp. if we are going to raise them void of the definition of self reliance.
Yeah hatred.
No everyone doesn't want the best for some kids that is demonstrably true. So why make this make believe point.
You are proving my point. I listed numerous ways we all are dependent on the government. Not a peep about the overwhelming ways we are dependent on the government. Not one peep about all that spending.
But the spending that goes to certain people, oh yes let's lie and be outraged about that spending.
Let's make up a term like double dipping to make it seem like those certain people are crooks getting over on the rest of us.
And all of this started about a school program that has nothing to do with food stamps and that will feed a small subset of students who are participating in after school activities because they might not have eaten for 5-6hrs.
Which then lead to a plethora of posts filled with venom and lies and directed to "those people" and their families.
So again what you did as a teenager is 100% irrelevant unless you are going to say schools can only run things forever and ever based on what the screen name kayanne claims to have experienced as a teenager. This is absurd and irrelevant. Move on from that point.
This whole thread is about hatred. There is nothing else.
As far as your questions, there is no difference.
Government dependence is government dependence. We are DEPENDENT on the government to provide roads. That is government dependency.
My point which you can't dispute and didn't is that as Americans were are dependent on the government in incalculable ways and people are 1000% ok with that dependency. Hell they don't even see it as dependency.
The only time some people can see government dependency is when they identify government spending going to people they hate and whom they don't want the government to help.
I give up. Go spew your contempt on someone else now.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
