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It sucks that the kid in Virginia had to die for mistaking the wrong house in a drunken stupor or the exchange student had to die while looking to steal beer or the kid in Texas that was getting a quicky from the girl with loose morals All made extremely bad decisions without considering any consequences. At that age, few kids can think more than 30 seconds into the future. Parents should be taking these types of news stories and making their kids read them.
There shouldn't be a good chance you get shot. Particularly if you are a kid. Gun owners do not have the right to wantonly take peoples lives. It is sad that gun owners immediately come to the defense of a man who had premeditated this and was intoxicated.
The gun culture in certain parts of the United States is vile, backwards, uncivilized and most certainly doesn't fit the second part of the second amendment all of you gun lovers seen to forget...
"Well-regulated"
This guy should get 5-10
It is sad that you vilify someone for protecting themselves from what is a reasonable assumption of danger.
It is sad that you worry more about the safety of a criminal than the safety of a non criminal.
The sheep mentality of those who have never found themselves in a situation where someone could do them harm. The feeling of helplessness as someone controls whether you and your family lives or dies.
It is sad that you vilify someone for protecting themselves from what is a reasonable assumption of danger.
It is sad that you worry more about the safety of a criminal than the safety of a non criminal.
The sheep mentality of those who have never found themselves in a situation where someone could do them harm. The feeling of helplessness as someone controls whether you and your family lives or dies.
I work in the inner city. Trust me, if you work in the neighborhoods I work in you'd probably be running around with all types of guns.
I've seen the damage guns cause. Being half European, I see what life is like without them.
Based on the affidavit I linked to earlier, Mr. Kaarma perceived a threat and provided supporting details. Whether that will convince a jury is another discussion.
A couple of years ago a drunk teen crawled through the open window of a house that looked like his but wasn't. He was shot dead. Kids do stupid things and sometimes those decisions get them killed. At the barrel of a gun, behind the wheel of a car or by many other means.
Kaarma's statement didn't match his actions, if he felt he was threatened he should have called 911 first as his wife did eventually. They saw him on their cell phones through the video monitor, they were previously robbed twice yet they saw fit to leave the garage door open while they hopped in the hot tub and turn off the exterior light sensors, their statements don't make sense. This is not someone that feels threatened, this is someone looking to make a killing out of revenge.
There shouldn't be a good chance you get shot. Particularly if you are a kid. Gun owners do not have the right to wantonly take peoples lives. It is sad that gun owners immediately come to the defense of a man who had premeditated this and was intoxicated.
The gun culture in certain parts of the United States is vile, backwards, uncivilized and most certainly doesn't fit the second part of the second amendment all of you gun lovers seen to forget...
"Well-regulated"
This guy should get 5-10
The "gun culture in certain parts of the US"? K. ...what certain parts, and does this "culture" really have anything to do with guns? Pretty high strung attitude ya got there. All gun owners are not slobbering to take a life. We are not sociopaths. This situation is still not clear cut, he's innocent till proven guilty. There are disturbing reports of his conduct, but, they ARE just reports. Not proven.
He will face a jury. Not a pleasant prospect. And they will decide, based on actual evidence and credible testimony, what really happened. All we have is a jumble of straws, and a line in the sand, across which rhetoric flys like musket balls at Antietam.
There shouldn't be a good chance you get shot. Particularly if you are a kid. Gun owners do not have the right to wantonly take peoples lives. It is sad that gun owners immediately come to the defense of a man who had premeditated this and was intoxicated.
The gun culture in certain parts of the United States is vile, backwards, uncivilized and most certainly doesn't fit the second part of the second amendment all of you gun lovers seen to forget...
I'm sorry but if I have my firearm on me, and I see a unknown man in my home, I'm not going to stop wait wait to here what his excuse is. I'm honestly am going to be frightened, and will try and defend myself. It's sad that people posters on this thread (especially those that are women) and other antigun people seem to have this idea in their head that if they were in the same situation in which they were surprised by a strange man being in their home, that they are going to simply wait and have a convo with him to find out his motives OR while standing within arms reach, they're going to have time to call anyone...
Yeah, facing the jury is not pleasant but it still doesn't compare to being shot by some redneck with a vendetta.
We have a dead body of a German exchange student who's only crime was trespassing. That's much bigger problem
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The "gun culture in certain parts of the US"? K. ...what certain parts, and does this "culture" really have anything to do with guns? Pretty high strung attitude ya got there. All gun owners are not slobbering to take a life. We are not sociopaths. This situation is still not clear cut, he's innocent till proven guilty. There are disturbing reports of his conduct, but, they ARE just reports. Not proven.
He will face a jury. Not a pleasant prospect. And they will decide, based on actual evidence and credible testimony, what really happened. All we have is a jumble of straws, and a line in the sand, across which rhetoric flys like musket balls at Antietam.
There shouldn't be a good chance you get shot. Particularly if you are a kid. Gun owners do not have the right to wantonly take peoples lives. It is sad that gun owners immediately come to the defense of a man who had premeditated this and was intoxicated.
The gun culture in certain parts of the United States is vile, backwards, uncivilized and most certainly doesn't fit the second part of the second amendment all of you gun lovers seen to forget...
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected.
Only on the Internet does someone think it is a good idea to try and "defuse" a situation when someone is breaking into your house.
He was baited into a garage. He didn't "break" into the guys house. The homeowner ran out the back door of his house after an alarm sounded and shot an unarmed kid in the back as he was fleeing. This is why the idiot homeowner is going to be charged. The fact that you're defending this mans behavior is pathetic. This is why so many people in this country hate gun culture. As a gun enthusiast myself, I'm almost to the point that I don't tell people about my hobbies because I don't want to be associated with individuals like yourself.
If that's a disadvantaged position to be in, sounds like Mr. Kaarma should have used better tactics.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
I should never have been near a window when a man was beating on my back door wanting to speak to someone named Joseph but I was in clear view of him while providing 911 a description. It didn't seem to phase him one bit to look down the barrel of a 9mm. Luckily the door held until the police arrived. I was subpoenaed to testify in the trial but he pleaded to criminal trespass.
He had been extremely intoxicated and picked the correct apartment but in the wrong building. His buddy Joseph was in the building to the east of me. He had no idea how close he came to becoming a news report that night.
Unless you actively practice for these types of situations, then tactical mistakes will be made. On the other hand, if you do practice for these types of situations then you will be labeled a paranoid nut case on this forum and you will be accused of premeditated murder if you do have to use your training. Sort of a catch-22 situation.
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