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Old 05-13-2014, 11:43 AM
 
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I'm confused. Is it this, ILGA - INTERNATIONAL LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL, TRANS AND INTERSEX ASSOCIATION , or this Illinois General Assembly Home Page that your refer to, when saying you worked with him?

I'm serious with my question btw. When I googled ilga, they were the top two hits.
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I confirmed my already held belief that Obama was a joke (I worked with him in the ILGA, he was a ridiculous joke then, too) when the Patriot Act and NSA spying on U.S. citizens grew even more intrusive under his presidential administration.

Not just continuation... worsening.

Exactly.
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Old 05-13-2014, 11:43 AM
 
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in general millenials don't care so much about taxes, because so many are underemployed.

but instead of using personal observation, it helps to rely on the data:

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files...on-for-web.pdf





but ... if you want to sum up the millenials' view of obama .. i think it goes like:

1. they loathe Bush
2. they expected Obama to be very different from Bush
3. he isn't, and now they're disappointed.

IOW, Obama has been too much like a Republican.
Anecdotally, your post reminds me of an acquaintance of my wife who is a teacher and has rallied hard for property tax increases in a nearby county in order to stave off school personnel layoffs. I've seen her posts on my wife's Facebook and I recall thinking "wow...she's really into this property tax thing."

And then I found out that she lives in an apartment, and has for her entire teaching career. And that's when it all made sense. Who would push hard for property tax increases except those who don't actually pay property taxes??!!

In my view, this anecdote is an accurate depiction of where we are headed as a country. When an entire generation has absolutely nothing besides student loan debt, a crappy job, and poor outlook on the future, then of course they're going to try to get their grubby hands on what other people have earned on their own! They have absolutely no skin in the game!
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Old 05-13-2014, 11:44 AM
 
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I'm confused. Is it this, ILGA - INTERNATIONAL LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL, TRANS AND INTERSEX ASSOCIATION , or this Illinois General Assembly Home Page that your refer to, when saying you worked with him?
Illinois General Assembly.

I understand the confusion, though.
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Old 05-13-2014, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It does say a lot when combined with the fact that millennials have refused to subsidize the access to health care for others in expected numbers.

People, even young Obama voters, are catching on to the scam.
Or you could just overlook the obvious, people in their 20s don't typically think about healthcare insurance and it will take educating for them to understand the importance of it. Plus someone can stay on their parent's policy until the age of 26 now thanks to ACA.
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Old 05-13-2014, 11:50 AM
 
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Anecdotally, your post reminds me of an acquaintance of my wife who is a teacher and has rallied hard for property tax increases in a nearby county in order to stave off school personnel layoffs. I've seen her posts on my wife's Facebook and I recall thinking "wow...she's really into this property tax thing."

And then I found out that she lives in an apartment, and has for her entire teaching career. And that's when it all made sense. Who would push hard for property tax increases except those who don't actually pay property taxes??!!

In my view, this anecdote is an accurate depiction of where we are headed as a country.
well, i think that's just human nature, from Japan to Ethiopia to Wisconsin. selfishness is just part and parcel of politics. Your example is that of a teacher rallying for higher property taxes (which, indeed, i've seen..), but it could just as easily be the business exec who pushes for government incentives for his organization. Just about everyone does this, and it isn't out of altruism.


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When an entire generation has absolutely nothing besides student loan debt, a crappy job, and poor outlook on the future, then of course they're going to try to get their grubby hands on what other people have earned on their own! They have absolutely no skin in the game!
I think the feeling is that many older, wealthier people didn't "earn it on their own," that they acquired it as a result of a rigged system.

Or rather, that these older folks inherited the family dairy cow, and then they milked it until it began to hemorrhage blood.
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Old 05-13-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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Or you could just overlook the obvious, people in their 20s don't typically think about healthcare insurance and it will take educating for them to understand the importance of it.
They understand the importance of health insurance. What they're balking at is paying higher rates to subsidize others. They didn't expect that to be the outcome of their social democracy inclinations.

Millennials Are Opting Out Of Obamacare Because It Forces Them To Subsidize Others

Socialists always think someone else pays. Millennials are learning the hard way that such now means THEY pay, and they're rejecting that premise.
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Old 05-13-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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The way our government works with the checks and balances between the 3 branches and how divided the country is ideologically, is it any surprise people have lost faith in the government? Neither side can get a plan through without lots of compromises which makes the result resemble nothing like the original. You go in with Plan A and Plan B and eventually pass Plan C which pleases no one.
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Old 05-13-2014, 12:02 PM
 
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The way our government works with the checks and balances between the 3 branches and how divided the country is ideologically, is it any surprise people have lost faith in the government? Neither side can get a plan through without lots of compromises
BS. Obamacare was slammed through without a single Republican vote. The majority of the nation has never liked it.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law
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Old 05-13-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Because Millennials have experienced widespread unemployment, suffered college costs soaring and observed our legislators' ineffectiveness, it appears they are beginning to doubt the wisdom of trusting the government to have all the answers.

This increasing wariness could become a life-long habit, just as faith in Washington was a hallmark of the millions who came of age during FDR’s reign or skepticism of government colored those of us who grew up listening to Ronald Reagan.

With government programs spreading like a mouse infestation and threatening our solvency, some push back from the next generation perhaps, maybe, hopefully could head off fiscal Armageddon. Today’s young people just need a little more life experience to see that the central government doesn’t have all the answers.
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Old 05-13-2014, 12:10 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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Anecdotally, your post reminds me of an acquaintance of my wife who is a teacher and has rallied hard for property tax increases in a nearby county in order to stave off school personnel layoffs. I've seen her posts on my wife's Facebook and I recall thinking "wow...she's really into this property tax thing."

And then I found out that she lives in an apartment, and has for her entire teaching career. And that's when it all made sense. Who would push hard for property tax increases except those who don't actually pay property taxes??!!
If you think renters don't pay property taxes, you don't know much about real estate.
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