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Originally Posted by carterstamp
Please read the first amendment. Please. The first lines are: CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW. It means the government cannot restrict free speech. It says nothing, nada zlich regarding private enterprise. Private enterprise is just that, private. Nobody is free from the consequences of being an idiot with a big mouth.
True, but,should private enterprise have no restrictions over what control they can exert over their employees?
Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling was suspended for life and fined $2.5 million for racial comments he made during a secretly recorded private conversation.
Miami Dolphins' Don Jones was suspended, fined, and ordered to attend a sensitivity training program for tweeting the words "OMG" and "horrible" after seeing two men kiss on TV.
Last month, Mozilla cofounder Brendan Eich resigned under pressure after it was revealed he had donated $1000 six years ago to the Proposition 8 campaign in California to ban same-sex marriage. Proposition 8 passed in California with 52% of the vote.
I believe Congress needs to step in and take steps to strengthen free-speech rights. Our thoughts and private conversations should not be owned by the employers for whom we work.
If you tell a crude joke to your friends in private on a Saturday night, should your employer have a right to fire you for it?
It's this new popular wave of thought, if someone objects to your opinions in privte conversations, or opposses your private mmmmonetary contributions to a group, and they can assemble a loud enough mob of angry activists together, they can ruin your private and personal life and or take away your property
I think it's more a case of the predominantly black NBA and predominantly black LA Clippers potentially refusing to play in light of this information... if they had just given this a pass, there could have been serious issues with the team or the league.
And it would have been within their rights to do so.
Well... I support an employer's right to operate the way they see fit. Thankfully, I work for a company that doesn't feel the need to limit my thoughts, free speech or activities that I may do outside of work. Nothing worse than working for a wanna be dictator.
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But the private statements became public.
I think it's more a case of the predominantly black NBA and predominantly black LA Clippers potentially refusing to play in light of this information... if they had just given this a pass, there could have been serious issues with the team or the league.
And it would have been within their rights to do so.
I'd like to know just how seriously every other NBA owner has had their background investigated. Wouldn't surprise me if one or more had things in their past that would make Sterling look like an altar boy.
True, but,should private enterprise have no restrictions over what control they can exert over their employees?
But we should not need to guard what we say in private conversation in our own homes, for fear we will be punished for having opinions that employer disagrees with.
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Originally Posted by Bleidd
But we should not need to guard what we say in private conversation in our own homes, for fear we will be punished for having opinions that employer disagrees with.
I am not clueless about it. I understand that freedom of speech technically only applies to the government's role in regulating speech. But I believe it should be expanded further than that. And I believe the majority of Americans would agree with me.
So, answer the question: do you believe your employer should be able to fire you for something controversial you said in private?
The problem is that most employers don't have to give you a reason when firing you.
We can assume that someone's statements in public could be the reason, but no law forces an employer to state the reason.
You can say whatever the heck you want on your time and so can I. However if your private thoughts and conversations become public and have the potential to impact my company negatively then I should have the option to fire your arse.
Employment at will, anybody heard of it? If someone thinks they were wrongfully terminated, they have the civil court and the DOL for such disputes.
So, conservatives want to regulate BUSINESS??? really? I thought that was as much a sacred cow to you guys as public assistance is to the left.
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