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Old 05-14-2014, 12:08 PM
 
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Pirate micro-radio broadcasts : (Allowing ordinary citizens to occasionally intercept radio and get their voices heard over the airwaves they could never obviously afford to own)...so the non-Rush Limbaughs can at least also get voices heard

American Indian Movement (giving land back to indigenous groups instead of corporatizing everything and treating them like casino solves their problem)

More regulation to protect value of organic food labels

People empowerment techniques: Mass demonstrations to get individuals going at first site.... Or local community organized efforts that then meet into one a feet times a year

Fighting globalization to protect manufacturers by taxing companies that outsource to China

Abolishing the rights of large corporations to be on equal footing with ordinary citizens

Environmental protection over useless oil drilling

Woman's right to choose

Freedom not to wear clothing

Campaign finance reforms

Reforming laws to enable third parties to get on ballots easier not just the bi-party system

Co-habitation rights equal with marital rights for groups that consent mutually and are of age

Cleaning the sex offender registry of offenders who aren't truly dangerous

Extended credits to support innovative business ideas for people who can't afford the capital investments

Green energy

Freedom of Sleeping and occupying in public parks

Universal healthcare public option ... Why not

Freedom of direct citizen petitions

Treatment of hardworking illegal immigrants and their kids

Labor Union rights

Minimum wage laws

Longer vacation off time for hardworking low income workers

Direct democracy

Protecting Fine arts programs such as national endowment for the arts

Free public university options with essential online training

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Old 05-14-2014, 01:28 PM
 
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Oh please.... It's funny that you Lefties say you are against globalization, but keep supporting the very same people who bring it to us.
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Old 05-14-2014, 02:08 PM
 
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That would be both parties, right?
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Old 05-14-2014, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Pirate micro-radio broadcasts : (Allowing ordinary citizens to occasionally intercept radio and get their voices heard over the airwaves they could never obviously afford to own)...so the non-Rush Limbaughs can at least also get voices heard.
Non-issue. Pirates can grow up and use the internet for webcasts.

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American Indian Movement (giving land back to indigenous groups instead of corporatizing everything and treating them like casino solves their problem).
Under the Customary Laws of Land Use then in effect at the time, not all indigenous groups have rights to land.

For those indigenous tribal groups which were nomadic or semi-nomadic and have no right, title or claim to any land, full enforcement of existing treaties. In the event the treaty was abrogated by the US, the US will have to show just cause.

For those sedentary indigenous tribes who had a right, claim or title to land under the Customary Laws of Land Use, an order of replevin and enforcement of existing treaties.

People wondering why the Dutch bought Manhattan Island --- it was required under then-International Law as the Customary Laws of Land Use.

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More regulation to protect value of organic food labels
It's a matter of honesty and integrity.

"Organic" means "organic" which means without fish-butt genes and chemicals.

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Fighting globalization to protect manufacturers by taxing companies that outsource to China
WTF?

This is what you said in plain in English: Endorsing, supporting and actively engaging in racism to prevent People of Color from having an higher standard of living.

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Abolishing the rights of large corporations to be on equal footing with ordinary citizens
Corporations have no rights.

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Environmental protection over useless oil drilling.
Tax high Sulfur condensate, very light, light, intermediate, heavy, very heavy oils and tars/waxes to discourage stupidity.

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Woman's right to choose
Taxpayer's right to choose......we can abort welfare pukes who are unwanted, or an inconvenience, or whom would make us look bad in some way, or just because.

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Freedom not to wear clothing
The purpose of wearing clothing is to prevent the spread of disease.

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Campaign finance reforms
I've provided those.....any reforms which do not consider violation of sovereignty are not reforms.

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Reforming laws to enable third parties to get on ballots easier not just the bi-party system
I already covered that, too.....for certain elected positions, all that ought to be required is letter sent registered mail requesting to be on the ballot.

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Co-habitation rights equal with marital rights for groups that consent mutually and are of age
No.

Furthermore, no-fault divorce should be eliminated, or reformed so that the party initiating the filing gets nothing.

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Cleaning the sex offender registry of offenders who aren't truly dangerous
Non-contact offenders only (excluding weenie-waggers).

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Extended credits to support innovative business ideas for people who can't afford the capital investments
No.

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Green energy
Green energy is why you are paying higher food and fuel prices....congratulations.

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Freedom of Sleeping and occupying in public parks
Freedom to target practice on vagrants sleeping in public parks, and nitwits occupying public parks.

If you want to occupy something, occupy a federal building, not city park.

You do understand the difference between federal and municipal, do you not?

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Universal healthcare public option ... Why not
You can have that just as soon as you implement Free Market healthcare reforms.

Let me rephrase what you said in plain English: I'm so stupid I would rather pay a premium every month for the rest of my life, instead of paying a premium for 120, 240 or 360 months and then leaving wealth my children.

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Freedom of direct citizen petitions
No.

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Treatment of hardworking illegal immigrants and their kids
This is how you treat them...

1] the president respectfully asks all illegals to immediately leave the US.

2] After 30 days, the president asks all illegals to immediately leave the US.

3] After 30 days, the presidents orders all illegal immigrants to leave the US.

4] After 30 days, the president deputizes all non-felon US Citizens to hunt down and capture all illegals, paying a $10,000 bounty for each illegal captured. The use of force -- up to and including deadly force -- to effect detentions is authorized. Deputies may also seize any facilities of any kind that have housed, employed, or harbored illegals.....that means deputies can seize the home of Hollywood pukes who have illegal servants; business that employed illegals; houses and apartment complexes that housed illegals. Seized property will be auctioned off to pay the $10,000 bounties.

From that point forward, any violations of immigration laws result in the illegals being declared as spies or terrorists and hunted down.

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Labor Union rights
Unions have no rights....however, I am willing to tolerate unions, provided that the unions and union members pay a special tax to fund the government apparatus.

In other words, the unions and union members fund the NLRB and not tax-payers.

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Minimum wage laws
Aren't needed.

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Longer vacation off time for hardworking low income workers
No.

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Direct democracy
Never.

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Protecting Fine arts programs such as national endowment for the arts
Only for drama, opera and symphony.

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Free public university options with essential online training
Adopt the European method.....free public university only for those students who score 2100+ on SATs ---that's how the Euros do it ---- and who demonstrate financial need.

Online training is useless.

Commenting....

Mircea
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Old 05-14-2014, 02:19 PM
 
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Choose the ones most familiar to you

Pirate micro-radio broadcasts : (Allowing ordinary citizens to occasionally intercept radio and get their voices heard over the airwaves they could never obviously afford to own)...so the non-Rush Limbaughs can at least also get voices heard

American Indian Movement (giving land back to indigenous groups instead of corporatizing everything and treating them like casino solves their problem)

More regulation to protect value of organic food labels

People empowerment techniques: Mass demonstrations to get individuals going at first site.... Or local community organized efforts that then meet into one a feet times a year

Fighting globalization to protect manufacturers by taxing companies that outsource to China

Abolishing the rights of large corporations to be on equal footing with ordinary citizens

Environmental protection over useless oil drilling

Woman's right to choose

Freedom not to wear clothing

Campaign finance reforms

Reforming laws to enable third parties to get on ballots easier not just the bi-party system

Co-habitation rights equal with marital rights for groups that consent mutually and are of age

Cleaning the sex offender registry of offenders who aren't truly dangerous

Extended credits to support innovative business ideas for people who can't afford the capital investments

Green energy

Freedom of Sleeping and occupying in public parks

Universal healthcare public option ... Why not

Freedom of direct citizen petitions

Treatment of hardworking illegal immigrants and their kids

Labor Union rights

Minimum wage laws

Longer vacation off time for hardworking low income workers

Direct democracy

Protecting Fine arts programs such as national endowment for the arts

Free public university options with essential online training
I choose you get help!
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Old 05-14-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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Choose the ones most familiar to you

Pirate micro-radio broadcasts : (Allowing ordinary citizens to occasionally intercept radio and get their voices heard over the airwaves they could never obviously afford to own)...so the non-Rush Limbaughs can at least also get voices heard - that's called stealing. You know, using something you haven't paid for?

American Indian Movement (giving land back to indigenous groups instead of corporatizing everything and treating them like casino solves their problem) Great idea, until the land they want to give back is yours, right?

More regulation to protect value of organic food labels - Why doesn't the govt do a better job with what they already regulate before they tackle something else?

People empowerment techniques: Mass demonstrations to get individuals going at first site.... Or local community organized efforts that then meet into one a feet times a year What????

Fighting globalization to protect manufacturers by taxing companies that outsource to China - Brilliant. Instead of making it easier to do business here, let's make it more difficult

Abolishing the rights of large corporations to be on equal footing with ordinary citizens - Sure, and long as they stop taxing them as they would ordinary citizens. AND that unions would be included in there

Environmental protection over useless oil drilling - You want to stop driving a car? Heating your home? I really have no words for this....

Woman's right to choose - OK, as long as I also stop funding that "right". You want me to pay, then I get a say

Freedom not to wear clothing - Seriously?

Campaign finance reforms - you get that both parties would suffer, don't you?

Reforming laws to enable third parties to get on ballots easier not just the bi-party system - What do you mean by this? I already see all sorts of folks on the ballots.

Co-habitation rights equal with marital rights for groups that consent mutually and are of age - Don't we already have that?

Cleaning the sex offender registry of offenders who aren't truly dangerous - OK, as long as those that ARE truly dangerous are executed immediately. You OK with that?

Extended credits to support innovative business ideas for people who can't afford the capital investments - Who decides what's "innovative"? And why should I fund your business. Unless of course I become a partner when it gets big. I bet you're not for that, though, are you?

Green energy - Like wind farms that kill birds? No thank you.

Freedom of Sleeping and occupying in public parks - I own that park, so you don't get to use my property without my permission, or paying for the privilege.

Universal healthcare public option ... Why not - Because the government sucks at running anything they touch. See the current VA nonsense for reference.

Freedom of direct citizen petitions - Don't we already have that?

Treatment of hardworking illegal immigrants and their kids - Why should we treat criminals with anything but what they deserve. They are ILLEGAL. And steal from hardworking citizens for those kids they can't afford.

Labor Union rights - Unions have outlived their usefulness and have become what they were started to fight - a huge entity that abused the common worker to line their own pockets.

Minimum wage laws - Let the market decide. Because if you're worth $15, someone will pay you for it.

Longer vacation off time for hardworking low income workers - why just low income workers? And if those low income workers want more vacation time, get a job that provides it.

Direct democracy - why change a system that was created over 200 years ago? You really think that would work. HA!

Protecting Fine arts programs such as national endowment for the arts - Let the rich pay for the arts. I don't think most of the garbage that passes for "art" these days is worth any of my money.

Free public university options with essential online training - Nothing is free, someone has to pay for it. So why should I pay for your higher education? I've already paid for your education up to that point.
OK, I'll bite.....
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Old 05-14-2014, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Free public university options with essential online training
In the name of compromise, I'd be willing to go along with this one. However, in return I want a stipulation that any Liberal Arts or other vanity degree be paid for wholly by the student, at exorbitant rates. Then we can use the profit from their tuitions to offset the cost of educating people who actually want to work for a living.
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Old 05-14-2014, 03:41 PM
 
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Choose the ones most familiar to you

Pirate micro-radio broadcasts : (Allowing ordinary citizens to occasionally intercept radio and get their voices heard over the airwaves they could never obviously afford to own)...so the non-Rush Limbaughs can at least also get voices heard

American Indian Movement (giving land back to indigenous groups instead of corporatizing everything and treating them like casino solves their problem)

More regulation to protect value of organic food labels

People empowerment techniques: Mass demonstrations to get individuals going at first site.... Or local community organized efforts that then meet into one a feet times a year

Fighting globalization to protect manufacturers by taxing companies that outsource to China

Abolishing the rights of large corporations to be on equal footing with ordinary citizens

Environmental protection over useless oil drilling

Woman's right to choose

Freedom not to wear clothing

Campaign finance reforms

Reforming laws to enable third parties to get on ballots easier not just the bi-party system

Co-habitation rights equal with marital rights for groups that consent mutually and are of age

Cleaning the sex offender registry of offenders who aren't truly dangerous

Extended credits to support innovative business ideas for people who can't afford the capital investments

Green energy

Freedom of Sleeping and occupying in public parks

Universal healthcare public option ... Why not

Freedom of direct citizen petitions

Treatment of hardworking illegal immigrants and their kids

Labor Union rights

Minimum wage laws

Longer vacation off time for hardworking low income workers

Direct democracy

Protecting Fine arts programs such as national endowment for the arts

Free public university options with essential online training

I support these on your list:


Campaign finance reforms

Reforming laws to enable third parties to get on ballots easier not just the bi-party system

Co-habitation rights equal with marital rights for groups that consent mutually and are of age

Cleaning the sex offender registry of offenders who aren't truly dangerous


I like the option of "green energy", but not when it is more toxic (solar) or far too expensive (solar) for practical use. As for energy, I would allow drilling on federal lands. The lease returns would be earmarked for "green energy" INFRASTRUCTURE, as long as that source of energy did not cause more pollution and damage to the environment than fossil fuels (wind, hydroelectric, geothermal).
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Old 05-14-2014, 04:04 PM
 
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Shut down all pirate radios. They are worthless.

Indians lost the war. Time they got over it.

Who certifies organic anyway? Just because someone says so?

Community talks are better than dirty idiots infesting a park.

Globalization? Can't change it.

Corporations have no rights.

Environazis will drive the poor into the grave when they can't afford heating bills or power bills.

What about a man's rights? Takes two to tango.

I refuse to see some 80 year old granny parading down the street nude. Clothes stay on.

Take away the lobbyists and institute term limits.

Fight to get on a ballot. You want to legislate fairness in an inherently unfair world.

Cohabitation laws? No.

Cleaning the sex offender registry is ok with me as long as they are locked up for life or put down like mad dogs.

No tax credits for anyone.

Green energy? Too expensive and not worth the effort. The earth will survive it anyway.

Parks or for the public enjoyment, not for derelicts to set up home.

I will support any kind of health care reform, but Obamacare has got to go.

Direct petitions? No.

Throw all illegals out of the country regardless of circumstances.

Unions need to go the way of dinosaurs.

MW? No.

Can't afford your own vacation? Don't go.

Direct Democracy? No.

Fine arts can't survive on their own, they die on their own.

Free universities? Okay as long as they are neutral politically, otherwise no.
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Old 05-14-2014, 04:29 PM
 
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Choose the ones most familiar to you

Pirate micro-radio broadcasts : (Allowing ordinary citizens to occasionally intercept radio and get their voices heard over the airwaves they could never obviously afford to own)...so the non-Rush Limbaughs can at least also get voices heard -
that's called stealing. You know, using something you haven't paid for?

No it's called leveling the playing field so everybody gets a fair shot, not just royal privileged few with money

American Indian Movement (giving land back to indigenous groups instead of corporatizing everything and treating them like casino solves their problem)

Great idea, until the land they want to give back is yours, right?
I would be glad to work things out with them...they don't want the land all to themselves anyhow...we can share


More regulation to protect value of organic food labels -
Why doesn't the govt do a better job with what they already regulate before they tackle something else?
Agree but we can do both fix the old and hit new ground

People empowerment techniques: Mass demonstrations to get individuals going at first site.... Or local community organized efforts that then meet into one a feet times a year What????
People power is not something you would understand since you value money and not a person as the quantifier of all expression

Fighting globalization to protect manufacturers by taxing companies that outsource to China - Brilliant. Instead of making it easier to do business here, let's make it more difficult
None of this wealth is going to the ordinary American people you know, since their wealth isn't creating productive manufacturing jobs here...if we made it more difficult for them, small homegrown businesses could finally exist and have a shot in the US consumer market to help manufacturers here at home. We would be creating more jobs

Abolishing the rights of large corporations to be on equal footing with ordinary citizens -
Sure, and long as they stop taxing them as they would ordinary citizens. AND that unions would be included in there
They aren't taxed the same as ordinary citizens...they are taxed at a corporate tax rate under corporate tax laws different from individuals


Environmental protection over useless oil drilling - You want to stop driving a car? Heating your home? I really have no words for this....
I want to make sure i have a car and home to heat in the future and not have it hundreds of feet under water below sea level

Woman's right to choose - OK, as long as I also stop funding that "right". You want me to pay, then I get a say
Private abortion clinics

Freedom not to wear clothing - Seriously?
Yes

Campaign finance reforms - you get that both parties would suffer, don't you?
That will finally open 3rd party options

Reforming laws to enable third parties to get on ballots easier not just the bi-party system - What do you mean by this? I already see all sorts of folks on the ballots.
How many other parties? Like 2 or 3? I'm talking hundreds of them

Co-habitation rights equal with marital rights for groups that consent mutually and are of age - Don't we already have that?
For multiple individuals communal arrangements

Cleaning the sex offender registry of offenders who aren't truly dangerous - OK, as long as those that ARE truly dangerous are executed immediately. You OK with that?
yes to the first piece, no to the second

Extended credits to support innovative business ideas for people who can't afford the capital investments - Who decides what's "innovative"? And why should I fund your business. Unless of course I become a partner when it gets big. I bet you're not for that, though, are you?
You can become a partner yes

Green energy - Like wind farms that kill birds? No thank you. Thats like saying no more cars they kill people no things

Freedom of Sleeping and occupying in public parks - I own that park, so you don't get to use my property without my permission, or paying for the privilege. You aren't the sole owner of that park

Universal healthcare public option ... Why not - Because the government sucks at running anything they touch. See the current VA nonsense for reference. Works in every other country in the 1st world

Freedom of direct citizen petitions - Don't we already have that?
only in blue states like Maryland

Treatment of hardworking illegal immigrants and their kids - Why should we treat criminals with anything but what they deserve. They are ILLEGAL. And steal from hardworking citizens for those kids they can't afford. The legal quota is the problem...it's insanely unconscionably low

Labor Union rights - Unions have outlived their usefulness and have become what they were started to fight - a huge entity that abused the common worker to line their own pockets. Unions do not force workers to work any old length of hours or else fire them

Minimum wage laws - Let the market decide. Because if you're worth $15, someone will pay you for it.
its agreed market needs to be intervened to protect children so how is it different for inexperienced trainees with no negotiating leverage?

Longer vacation off time for hardworking low income workers - why just low income workers? And if those low income workers want more vacation time, get a job that provides it.
what jobs would provide it now or evermore?

Direct democracy - why change a system that was created over 200 years ago? You really think that would work. HA!
it is still working fine in Vermont and Massachusetts towns

Protecting Fine arts programs such as national endowment for the arts - Let the rich pay for the arts. I don't think most of the garbage that passes for "art" these days is worth any of my money.
You haven't seen too many music, theatre, visual art and ballet performances and the correlation between schools in these focus areas and academic excellence in young pupils

Free public university options with essential online training - Nothing is free, someone has to pay for it. So why should I pay for your higher education? I've already paid for your education up to that point.
to improve quality of life around you
OK, I'll bite.....

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