Michigan SEIU Healthcare Membership Down 80% (legal, radical, dollars, dictators)
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So, still have nothing to offer then, aye? Let's see, you've managed to complain about agendas, the source for the article, and Fox News. What you haven't done is offer one single substantive post to this thread. Is that your only goal? To complain and malign? Do you a single original thought at all to add?
My goal is to expose the right-wing fascist agenda for all to see - that is substantive even though you don't like it. I want people like the OP and yourself to explain your anti-labor ideology and your support for replacing our system of government with corporate fascism or plutocracy, after all, that is the real aim of this thread - one among many - but you will not attempt to openly state your view because you dare not imo.
A typical RW tactic born of desperation - the OP went back in time to find examples of labor union malfeasance and stumbled across this recent article from a fascist think-tank, and the linked author virtually repeated the same article he authored back in April 2013. Now this is pretty pathetic. So the author found some union misbehavior and this is the usual RW justification for abolishing unions. Pretty dumb to think that is at all coherent.
So I have "nothing to offer"? Let me once again "offer" you the chance to explain, if not justify, your barefaced anti-labor ideology because that is at the heart of this issue and such a contribution would explain the thinking of the OP, yourself, and most rightist opinion on the matter of labor unions. You might explain the RW contempt of workplace representation for Joe Lunchbox while smugly accepting the "unions" of corporate cabals lobbying our government. I'm sure you can do that if you have nothing to hide.
My goal is to expose the right-wing fascist agenda for all to see - that is substantive even though you don't like it. I want people like the OP and yourself to explain your anti-labor ideology and your support for replacing our system of government with corporate fascism or plutocracy, after all, that is the real aim of this thread - one among many - but you will not attempt to openly state your view because you dare not imo.
A typical RW tactic born of desperation - the OP went back in time to find examples of labor union malfeasance and stumbled across this recent article from a fascist think-tank, and the linked author virtually repeated the same article he authored back in April 2013. Now this is pretty pathetic. So the author found some union misbehavior and this is the usual RW justification for abolishing unions. Pretty dumb to think that is at all coherent.
So I have "nothing to offer"? Let me once again "offer" you the chance to explain, if not justify, your barefaced anti-labor ideology because that is at the heart of this issue and such a contribution would explain the thinking of the OP, yourself, and most rightist opinion on the matter of labor unions. You might explain the RW contempt of workplace representation for Joe Lunchbox while smugly accepting the "unions" of corporate cabals lobbying our government. I'm sure you can do that if you have nothing to hide.
Oh, you think I won't come out against labor unions? Here you go - I can't stand labor unions and think they are nothing more than corrupt, unnecessary drains on the workers they are supposed to protect. I think their policies of trying to force people onto their rolls, buying politicians, and using shady practices when dealing with opposition are all further proof of their corruption (as demonstrated in this case). In this country, it would be easier to win the lottery than to find an honest union. Yes, I am anti-union. Clear enough for you?
Oh, you think I won't come out against labor unions? Here you go - I can't stand labor unions and think they are nothing more than corrupt, unnecessary drains on the workers they are supposed to protect. I think their policies of trying to force people onto their rolls, buying politicians, and using shady practices when dealing with opposition are all further proof of their corruption (as demonstrated in this case). In this country, it would be easier to win the lottery than to find an honest union. Yes, I am anti-union. Clear enough for you?
A tantrum is not an explanation. You obviously have no clue but only a strangely narrow concept of the history of unions, why they came about, and the fact that the absence of unions are the RW road to a third-world poverty-wage safety-unregulated Bangladesh-style workforce. Why are bosses so good and pure of motive in your right-wing mind?
The question which you continue to avoid is, why do you hate workers' collective representation for their common well-being, things like making sure their factories don't burn down around them? Explain this general right-wing disdain for the American worker - without dodging. Why do you hate unions "buying politicians" but support the more well-heeled employers doing the same? Give it a try.
A tantrum is not an explanation. You obviously have no clue but only a strangely narrow concept of the history of unions, why they came about, and the fact that the absence of unions are the RW road to a third-world poverty-wage safety-unregulated Bangladesh-style workforce. Why are bosses so good and pure of motive in your right-wing mind?
The question which you continue to avoid is, why do you hate workers' collective representation for their common well-being, things like making sure their factories don't burn down around them? Explain this general right-wing disdain for the American worker - without dodging. Why do you hate unions "buying politicians" but support the more well-heeled employers doing the same? Give it a try.
Actually, I don't support either buying the politicians and would outlaw lobbying all together if I had my druthers. Oh look, yet again, you're assuming something about me and are wrong. Here's something which isn't an assumption. SEIU forced family members caring for their ill family to be part of a home health workers' union, without the benefit of choice or any benefits in return whatsoever. It was yet anther example of the rampant corruption in American unions. Once the force aspect was removed, membership dropped precipitously. If a union was such a good thing, why would it drop only once the forced aspect was removed?
Factories burning down around the workers?? Really? So, all of those Federal regulations put in place to protect workers would just suddenly disappear? That's the problem with you extremist liberals. If I say less government, you automatically think 'no government'. If I say unions in America are corrupt and I'm against them, we're suddenly going to become a 'third-world poverty-wage safety-unregulated Bangladesh-style workforce'. Have you any ability to make a non-emotional argument? Or does hyperbole come naturally to you?
Actually, I don't support either buying the politicians and would outlaw lobbying all together if I had my druthers. Oh look, yet again, you're assuming something about me and are wrong. Here's something which isn't an assumption. SEIU forced family members caring for their ill family to be part of a home health workers' union, without the benefit of choice or any benefits in return whatsoever. It was yet anther example of the rampant corruption in American unions. Once the force aspect was removed, membership dropped precipitously. If a union was such a good thing, why would it drop only once the forced aspect was removed?
Factories burning down around the workers?? Really? So, all of those Federal regulations put in place to protect workers would just suddenly disappear? That's the problem with you extremist liberals. If I say less government, you automatically think 'no government'. If I say unions in America are corrupt and I'm against them, we're suddenly going to become a 'third-world poverty-wage safety-unregulated Bangladesh-style workforce'. Have you any ability to make a non-emotional argument? Or does hyperbole come naturally to you?
Here is your right-wing preferred, deregulated, "free market", non-union workplace. Bangladesh isn't the only place either, but of course corporate-fascist Fox is silent on all this stuff for obvious reasons. Why do you think American companies do their manufacturing there? Got a clue? It's to get dirt-cheap indentured labor and escape those nasty "unfair" safety regulations fought for by "greedy" unions.
Yep, the ideal workplace - save the owners some money by minimizing safety standards, place workers behind locked doors, install suicide nets, house impoverished workers in dormitories, and when the factory burns down or collapses, those workers are easily replaced - what's not to like? So American corporations are "forced" offshore by "greedy unions" who just refuse to understand the plight of the CEO and the needs of the shareholder for the highest possible profit.
All right-wing anti-union actions are designed to disempower the lowly worker by destroying collective bargaining (that's what the OP is all about) and handing more power and wealth to the bosses. Since you are apparently against collective bargaining (all unions are of course "corrupt" and must be destroyed) which is the only bargaining chip the worker has, You really need to explain and justify the blatant RW disdain for American workers, and why disempowering them is good for America.
This thread is all about that, and not just the SEIU - who are you kidding?
A typical RW tactic born of desperation - the OP went back in time to find examples of labor union malfeasance and stumbled across this recent article from a fascist think-tank, and the linked author virtually repeated the same article he authored back in April 2013. Now this is pretty pathetic. So the author found some union misbehavior and this is the usual RW justification for abolishing unions. Pretty dumb to think that is at all coherent.
Unions are criminal enterprises through and through.
They ally with the government as birds of a feather flock together.
Here is your right-wing preferred, deregulated, "free market", non-union workplace. Bangladesh isn't the only place either, but of course corporate-fascist Fox is silent on all this stuff for obvious reasons. Why do you think American companies do their manufacturing there? Got a clue? It's to get dirt-cheap indentured labor and escape those nasty "unfair" safety regulations fought for by "greedy" unions.
Yep, the ideal workplace - save the owners some money by minimizing safety standards, place workers behind locked doors, install suicide nets, house impoverished workers in dormitories, and when the factory burns down or collapses, those workers are easily replaced - what's not to like? So American corporations are "forced" offshore by "greedy unions" who just refuse to understand the plight of the CEO and the needs of the shareholder for the highest possible profit.
All right-wing anti-union actions are designed to disempower the lowly worker by destroying collective bargaining (that's what the OP is all about) and handing more power and wealth to the bosses. Since you are apparently against collective bargaining (all unions are of course "corrupt" and must be destroyed) which is the only bargaining chip the worker has, You really need to explain and justify the blatant RW disdain for American workers, and why disempowering them is good for America.
This thread is all about that, and not just the SEIU - who are you kidding?
Here's what I hear from you - blah, blah, blah. Stop trying to make this thread your manifesto. If you have something to say about these corrupt practices of SEIU, say it. If not, go start your own thread. You tire me with your babble.
If you could get something for nothing, wouldn't you? No surprise here.
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