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...and the Obama comes along and attacks Libya - out of the blue. Obama went to war all on his own, with not so much as an "oh, by the way" to the US Congress or the American people. He launched the fighter bombers into Libya on Friday, and went golfing all weekend.
When Obama went to war how many battalions did he send to Libya? How many Americans came home in body bags and how many had their limbs blown off? Here`s a clue, Libya was a NATO operation and yes, we`re a NATO member.
When she was Senator Clinton, she, Biden and a few others (?Kerry) voted yes in the War Resolution in Congress to invade Iraq under Bush.
Now, at that time I was dumbfounded that she would do that. I opposed the invasion because I knew that Bush and Cheney and Rice and all of that crowd were either lying or stupider than I already thought they were. When Colin Powell argued in front of the U.N. Security Council for permission to invade, they voted no. I sat up at 1 AM to listen to him live on the radio and just KNEW he didn't believe it himself and thought he was being a loyal, good soldier and I was beyond disgust.
So, here we are now with Democrats giving Hillary a pass and supporting her as a candidate for President. I suppose that they figure she has the best chance to beat a Republican and so I do understand that, but it makes me very angry that she is being given a pass on one of the most terrible votes a senator could have ever made. It is positively inexcusable.
There will be readers here who will say they supported the invasion but I am so sorry to say that I have very little sympathy for them for having "not known" and now regretting their support. If anyone had a basic comprehension of the way the Bush administration operated they would not have supported this invasion. And to think that our Hillary, a Democrat, didn't know any better. Wasn't she in a far better position than we average people were, being so up close to the players in the White House and Congress to have a clue? I find it absolutely abominable that she didn't "know" that the reasons to invade were a sham. Didn't she appreciate the expertise of Hans Blix? Full text: Hans Blix's briefing to the UN security council | World news | theguardian.com If you don't even know who he is, you are really not even qualified to enter this discussion. I mean it. Do some reading so you can speak with an understanding of who he was. Why invading Iraq was a terrible mistake - CNN.com
I have no respect for General Colin Powell. A disgrace, what he did.
So, back to Hillary. Here we to the left are supposed to support her. I am not a happy camper. But I don't know who else will be nominated other than her and so I MUST support her, most reluctantly. I certainly would never support a Republican. [MOD CUT/off topic]
"The resolution "supported" and "encouraged" diplomatic efforts by President George W. Bush to "strictly enforce through the U.N. Security Councilall relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq" and "obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq." The resolution authorized President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in order to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."
As I mentioned, no senator or congressman ordered our forces to invade. That was Dubya's call. Or, more accurately, Dubya just did what Dick told him to do.
Well, Gringo, that's the whole point! The resolution authorizes invasion and if the Congress had not voted for this resolution the President could not have ordered it, could he?
No don't, ANY US SENATOR who voted against the Iraq War (which gave a feckless Administration a reason d'etre) would have been the target of a ruthless, GOP orcestrated smear campaign by the likes of FOX News, Right wing talk radio led by Rush Limbaugh, GOP owned pundits and GOP owned newspapers like the the Chicago Trib, New York Post, The NY Daily News, Rev. Moons mouth piece the Washington Times even the Washingbton Post!! So thats why most Senators took the easy out, after all why should they give a damn some American soldier dies or spends the rest of his life disabled?
I don't feel as you do. I think that millions of Americans would have been so grateful if someone as prominent as Senator Hillary Clinton had voted down that resolution. Also, Dennis Kucinich (Senator), for example, a Dem, DID vote against the resolution as did others. But the big shock, as an aside, is this!! Dennis Kucinich Cashes In With FoxNews
I still think that there was a reasonably good case for the Iraq war. Almost everyone at the time, including Saddam's own senior officers, believed that he still had WMD. Even Hans Blix has said that he had his suspicions:
The problem with the Iraq invasion was not the decision to go, but the poor execution, especially when it came to the occupation. Honestly, you can't really hold Hillary accountable for that.
Where Hillary Clinton should be held accountable is the bungled handling of the withdrawal from Iraq in 2011, when she was Secretary of State. Remember that things were looking up in Iraq just prior to the 2008 election. After 2009 things gradually got worse, and it is now perhaps a lost cause.
Well, wutitiz, if you want, we can change the topic and start to debate the validity of the Iraq war. Another long, long thread. Sorry, that was not my chosen topic: I did not write here to debate whether or not we needed to go to war. I wrote to criticize Hillary for voting to go in. There IS a difference in topic, if you can discern this.
The moderator cut off my final sentence as being off topic. I was trying to explain that I am not interested in debating the validity of the war and was not interested in discussing such with right wingers. Because this is a huge topic: whether or not we go in.
Well, Gringo, that's the whole point! The resolution authorizes invasion and if the Congress had not voted for this resolution the President could not have ordered it, could he?
Dubya was a good boy.
He just did exactly as Dick told him to.
It wasn't congress who sent our forces into Iraq.
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