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I read civil war history and they say the "Radical Republicans" of the post-civil war period I immediately think Bush/Cheney Halliburton big oil and taxcuts for the rich and religious fundamentalism
And then when the deep South went solid Democrat I think is this real life? The south actually supporting the Pelosis and Barney franks ? But that wasn't quite the southern dems
Isn't it true after the civil war there were radical republicans angry the north won
Then southern democrats got in because the people of the south wanted to unite with the north and make up?
No, the radical Republicans were far left liberals from the north and Democrats were conservatives from the south. Republicans supported ending slavery and giving blacks equal rights while conservative/reactionary Democrats where from the south were against it. As many here have said, most Americans are stupid people who don't even know their own history or how the two parties ended up switching places in the "Great Realignment".
Because the parties switched left-right sides the proper way to view history in America is that Conservatives were for slavery and against equal rights while liberals were against slavery and for equal rights. Most of our RWNJs here ignore those facts.
Southern Democrats were liberal going back to Woodrow Wilson, and no doubt prior to him. Wilson did not spring out of a vacumn, after all. The trend continued thru the 20th century with liberals segregationists like Sam Ervin and J William Fulbright, and continues on to this day.
Southern Democrats were liberal going back to Woodrow Wilson, and no doubt prior to him. Wilson did not spring out of a vacumn, after all. The trend continued thru the 20th century with liberals segregationists like Sam Ervin and J William Fulbright, and continues on to this day.
The term "liberal" has been changed since the late 1950s, when the communists and socialists in the Democratic Party adopted the term to pretend they were something that they are not. Just as they recently adopted the term "progressive" during the 1990s in an another attempt to hide what they are since everyone knows Democrats are anything but "liberal" in the classical meaning of the term.
The true classical liberals began with the Democratic-Republican Party of 1800, a.k.a. "The Party of Jefferson." However, after Andrew Jackson lost the 1824 election he split off from the Democratic-Republican Party and started a tyrannical political party which he called the Democratic Party in 1828.
Democrats supported slavery, supported Dred Scott, voted against the 14th Amendment, opposed all civil rights, opposed making lynching illegal, supported the Jim Crow "separate but equal" laws, and their hatred for all women and minorities continues to this day through Affirmative Action.
Whereas, when Jackson split off from the Democratic-Republican Party out of sheer spite, those who opposed the tyrannical rule of Jackson and subsequent Democrats became Whigs, in mockery of Jackson's monarchic style of rule. Ironically, it was actually the Whig Party that chose the Democratic Party mascot. Again, in mockery of Jackson, the Whigs chose a jackass to represent the Democratic Party, and Jackson liked it so much he kept it.
The Democratic-Republican Party, followed by the Whig Party, followed by the Republican Party have always had the same agenda: Liberty for all.
It has always been the Republicans championing the rights of all Americans, and the Democrats who seek to limit those rights. There has been no greater enemy to the principles of liberty and freedom than the Democratic Party since its inception.
Just remember, Democrats always claim to be something that they are not and never were. At no time has the Democratic Party ever supported liberty or freedom, just the opposite in fact, as we see today.
I read civil war history and they say the "Radical Republicans" of the post-civil war period I immediately think Bush/Cheney Halliburton big oil and taxcuts for the rich and religious fundamentalism
And then when the deep South went solid Democrat I think is this real life? The south actually supporting the Pelosis and Barney franks ? But that wasn't quite the southern dems
It wasn't. During, and post, civil war Southern Democrats were pro-states rights, but they were in no way "liberal".
I read civil war history and they say the "Radical Republicans" of the post-civil war period I immediately think Bush/Cheney Halliburton big oil and taxcuts for the rich and religious fundamentalism
And then when the deep South went solid Democrat I think is this real life? The south actually supporting the Pelosis and Barney franks ? But that wasn't quite the southern dems
Who, boy. No, the Radical Republicans of that era were in favor of rights for freedmen, and harsh penalties for rebels. Guys like Charles Sumner or Thaddeus Stevens were strong supporters of Reconstruction for the southern states that had rebelled during the civil war, and mostly backed US Grant's presidency. This began to shift, of course, as the Reconstruction Era wound down, and ended in 1877.
As to what this has to do with the modern political parties? Nothing, really. You're discussing a country that was far more rural, and far more interested in expanding, than the modern US is, not to mention the wild differences in education, technology, competitiveness with the rest of the world, and so on. It's good to know where we came from, but in the end, take it for what it is - a part of how we got to where we are today, but not a set of immobile principles.
Lincoln was a Republican and after he was assassinated, his VP, Andrew Johnson, became president. Under his administration, Reconstruction in the Confederate States was extreme and punishing (Lincoln had planned a much milder reconstruction without the "punishing"element that he rightly felt would just intensify separatist feeling). So began the tales of the carpetbaggers. Southerners aligned with the Democrats in opposition. This lasted until the Civil Rights era when Southerners began to shift from Democrats to Republicans.
Lincoln was a Republican and after he was assassinated, his VP, Andrew Johnson, became president. Under his administration, Reconstruction in the Confederate States was extreme and punishing (Lincoln had planned a much milder reconstruction without the "punishing"element that he rightly felt would just intensify separatist feeling). So began the tales of the carpetbaggers. Southerners aligned with the Democrats in opposition. This lasted until the Civil Rights era when Southerners began to shift from Democrats to Republicans.
Johnson was actually pretty soft - he allowed former Confederate states to enact Black Codes, which were precursors to Jim Crow laws, and vetoed quite a few pertinent laws, including the first civil rights law in the US.
Again, the real Radical Republican president were US Grant.
Johnson was actually pretty soft - he allowed former Confederate states to enact Black Codes, which were precursors to Jim Crow laws, and vetoed quite a few pertinent laws, including the first civil rights law in the US.
Again, the real Radical Republican president were US Grant.
I've always thought Johnson was softer on civil rights than thought, and have debated that with friends, but can you explain Black Codes?
Adding, how did he allow former Confederate states to enact them?
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