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Old 05-18-2014, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Medical costs are not lower.....



....ooops.

The OECD just debunked your fantastical claims.

Oh, and now that the US calculates GDP more like other States, US GDP is larger and will make US costs appear even lower than they are according to the OECD.


Oh, and for those who don't understand how other foreign States operate their heathcare systems,...

Virtual budgets are also set up at the regional levels; these ensure that all participants in the system—including the health insurance funds and providers— know from the beginning of the year onward how much money can be spent. -- Franz Knieps German Minister of Health (2009)

Source: How Germany is reining in health care costs An interview with Franz Knieps




The surveys are irrelevant.

Those people have nothing against which to compare. That's like asking if you like Black & White TV when the only thing the government has ever allowed you to view in your entire life is Black & White TV.

For the ignorant, there were many people on Earth who watched nothing but B&W TV up thought the mid-1990s....their governments would not spend the money to convert and upgrade broadcasting systems to Color.

It's the exact same with Free Market healthcare.

No one in the US born after 1915 is old enough to have any memory of Free Market healthcare in the US, since Free Market healthcare ended in 1933.

No one in the US born after 1936 has any memory of Free Market health insurance in the US, since that ended in 1954.

An example of Free Market health insurance prior to 1954 is you pay 10 years on your catastrophic healthcare policy, you don't ever pay after that, yet you are still covered, and then when you die you leave ~$1 Million in wealth to your children.

Oh, wait......I don't want to mislead you.

In the interest of honesty and integrity, some people did not pay for 10 years.....they paid a lower monthly premium for 240 months -- 20 years -- and then never paid again, yet they were still covered and they would be able to leave ~$1 Million in wealth to their children.

Oh......that's still misleading........because some people paid an even lower monthly premium over 30 years, and then never paid another dime, yet were covered for catastrophic care and had ~$1 Million in wealth to leave to their children.


Any why?

That's the Free Market.....choosing a catastrophic health/life plan that fits your budget....not some government bureaucrat's idealized vision of what your budget and spending priorities ought to be.

From this set of facts, we can draw several conclusions:

1] Obamacare supporters hate their children....you don't have to leave ~$1 Million to your children and grand-children, you can leave it to a registered charity. Damn if you have family issues, that's not a reason to deny other Americans from building wealth and passing that wealth on;

2] Obamacare supporters don't want Americans to build wealth. They make pills and they have therapists for sufferers of Penis Envy and Butt/Breast Implant Envy

3] Obamacare supporters get off forcing people to pay monthly premiums for their entire life, even though people don't have to do that.



There aren't a lot in the US either, but don't let this Congressional Committee Hearing intrude upon your fantasy:


Hearing on “Working Families in Financial Crisis: Medical Debt and Bankruptcy”
Tuesday July 17, 2007 1:00 pm
Room 2141 Rayburn House Office Building

GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT NO COPYRIGHT RESTRICTIONS

Nor is there any evidence that medical bankruptcies are creating any sort of crisis for the bankruptcy system or that the percentage of medical bankruptcies has been rising over time.

Factually...


Mircea
Eventually (and sooner than later) some variation of Medicare for all will be implemented in the US.
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Old 05-18-2014, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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Can you get an MRI within a week in Ukraine, Cuba, Viet Nam, Nigeria?
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Old 05-18-2014, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Can you get an MRI within a week in Ukraine, Cuba, Viet Nam, Nigeria?
Don't know. Got a link for those countries?

Can you get one in the US without insurance?
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Old 05-18-2014, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Don't know. Got a link for those countries?

Can you get one in the US without insurance?
Get in a car accident in the US. Nobody asks about insurance. If you need an MRI, it's done.
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Old 05-18-2014, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Don't need to. It was posted by a leftie, and since you are supporting it, my case is even stronger.

We lead the world in medical innovation.

Kidney Dialysis was invented in the Netherlands, the first heart transplant was done in South Africa, the first Lasix (Laser vision correction) treatment was done in the Soviet Union and several of the Largest pharmaceutical companies in the world are head quartered Swutzerland, the UK, Japan and Germany. So what exactly does the USA demonstrate any leadership in cutting edge medicine to begin with?
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Old 05-18-2014, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Get in a car accident in the US. Nobody asks about insurance. If you need an MRI, it's done.
Car insurance?
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Old 05-18-2014, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Car insurance?
Nope. The US has the best first-line trauma care in the world. Nobody is ever denied care. Illegal aliens. Legal aliens. Rich. Poor. All are treated exactly the same.

The same thing happens over in Oakland and Richmond. Kids blast each other on a regular basis. Every victim is treated.
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Old 05-18-2014, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Nope. The US has the best first-line trauma care in the world. Nobody is ever denied care. Illegal aliens. Legal aliens. Rich. Poor. All are treated exactly the same.

The same thing happens over in Oakland and Richmond. Kids blast each other on a regular basis. Every victim is treated.
Hmmm. I wonder why uninsured motorist insurance is mandatory in many states.
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Old 05-18-2014, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Get in a car accident in the US. Nobody asks about insurance. If you need an MRI, it's done.

If you needed treatment for an acute medical emergency and get to a ER. Now if you needed a diagnostic MRI for a possible early stage cancer and needed to see an oncologist it was a different story and you likely would not have even been able to schedual and appointment with the above mented doctor unless you had acceptable insurance (Not that pretend insurance that too many hard working Americans kave that real MDs refuse to take) or proof of ability to pay. So you would carry on until the cancer got to stage 4 or 5 (usually terminal), then you would have an acute medical emergency go to the ER and finally get that diagnostic MRI or CAT scan. This would confirm the gravity of your situation and you would probably be told by the somber faced oncologist like my Father was that further treatment would really be pointless. My father died less than 3 weeks later. Another statistic in America's War Against Cancer!!!!
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Old 05-18-2014, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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If you needed treatment for an acute medical emergency and get to a ER. Now if you needed a diagnostic MRI for a possible early stage cancer and needed to see an oncologist it was a different story and you likely would not have even been able to schedual and appointment with the above mented doctor unless you had acceptable insurance (Not that pretend insurance that too many hard working Americans kave that real MDs refuse to take) or proof of ability to pay. So you would carry on until the cancer got to stage 4 or 5 (usually terminal), then you would have an acute medical emergency go to the ER and finally get that diagnostic MRI or CAT scan. This would confirm the gravity of your situation and you would probably be told by the somber faced oncologist like my Father was that further treatment would really be pointless. My father died less than 3 weeks later. Another statistic in America's War Against Cancer!!!!
Very true.
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