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Old 05-21-2014, 07:02 AM
 
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Still only deals with discrimination, not performance. Sorry, but if you actually believe that you are required to pay every employee the exact same amount then you need to have a sit down with your attorney and have him or her explain labor laws to you.
We do not pay anything NEAR minimum wage.

Yes...I agree...it is NOT performance.....that is the problem.

Somehow....someone will claim discrimination.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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We do not pay anything NEAR minimum wage.

Yes...I agree...it is NOT performance.....that is the problem.

Somehow....someone will claim discrimination.
I paid my workers well over minimum wage, but I paid them each according to the value that they brought to the table. The ones with more knowledge and/or a better work ethic got more money.

So what if someone claims discrimination? Unless they can bring a valid case and prove that you were, in fact, discriminating, it's just words. As a non-union employer, you make a separate contract with each employee. As long as your reason for paying one more than another is acceptable, ie due to their performance or knowledge, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:15 AM
 
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The only reason that anyone with a conservative bent is upset is that there is a large segment of our population who are stupid enough to believe that raising the minimum wage will lift people out of poverty. News flash: no matter what the minimum wage is, it will still be minimum wage and those who make minimum wage will still be comparatively poor.
So paying people more money in your mind won't lift people out of poverty?

And that's not why conservatives are upset. conservatives are angry because conservatism is at its core about exclusion.

For conservatives rich people and businesses regularly using the government for their own benefit is a normal and right use of the government because those people count to conservatives.

Working class Americans doing to the same angers conservatives because to conservatives those people don't count.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:32 AM
 
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I paid my workers well over minimum wage, but I paid them each according to the value that they brought to the table. The ones with more knowledge and/or a better work ethic got more money.

So what if someone claims discrimination? Unless they can bring a valid case and prove that you were, in fact, discriminating, it's just words. As a non-union employer, you make a separate contract with each employee. As long as your reason for paying one more than another is acceptable, ie due to their performance or knowledge, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
If worker A at McDonald's is paid $1 more than worker B...you really see that just being expectable???? (same job)
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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So paying people more money in your mind won't lift people out of poverty?
Way to misrepresent what I'm saying.

The short answer is that raising the minimum wage won't actually pay anyone more money, it will merely change the value of the currency.

Now for the long answer:

Here's a question for you; when is the last time that raising the minimum wage had the long term effect of lifting minimum wage earners out of poverty? It has never happened, due to the basic laws of economics. Minimum wage is the absolute bottom of the economic totem pole for the working class, and it always will be (unless common sense prevails and minimum wage is done away with - which is highly doubtful). This means that no matter how many times the government raises the minimum wage, it will always be substantially lower than the median wage once the market corrects itself. Since every single luxury item in existence, as well as many necessities, is price-pointed for the median wage earner or the wealthy, minimum wage earners will still be unable to afford the same products they are unable to afford now. Every person who supports raising the minimum wage is completely ignoring the laws of economics, and is doing nothing but providing false hope to people who need an actual solution to their problems.

If you want to lift people out of poverty, push for programs that teach trade skills and basic budgeting skills to working people who are at or below poverty level. You still won't lift them all out of poverty, but at least you'll have a chance of helping some of them.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:39 AM
 
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Way to misrepresent what I'm saying.

The short answer is that raising the minimum wage won't actually pay anyone more money, it will merely change the value of the currency.

Now for the long answer:

Here's a question for you; when is the last time that raising the minimum wage had the long term effect of lifting minimum wage earners out of poverty? It has never happened, due to the basic laws of economics. Minimum wage is the absolute bottom of the economic totem pole for the working class, and it always will be (unless common sense prevails and minimum wage is done away with - which is highly doubtful). This means that no matter how many times the government raises the minimum wage, it will always be substantially lower than the median wage once the market corrects itself. Since every single luxury item in existence, as well as many necessities, is price-pointed for the median wage earner or the wealthy, minimum wage earners will still be unable to afford the same products they are unable to afford now. Every person who supports raising the minimum wage is completely ignoring the laws of economics, and is doing nothing but providing false hope to people who need an actual solution to their problems.

If you want to lift people out of poverty, push for programs that teach trade skills and basic budgeting skills to working people who are at or below poverty level. You still won't lift them all out of poverty, but at least you'll have a chance of helping some of them.
Well said!!!
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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So paying people more money in your mind won't lift people out of poverty?

And that's not why conservatives are upset. conservatives are angry because conservatism is at its core about exclusion.

For conservatives rich people and businesses regularly using the government for their own benefit is a normal and right use of the government because those people count to conservatives.

Working class Americans doing to the same angers conservatives because to conservatives those people don't count.
Conservatives are all wrapped up in their deluded ideology that has been proven wrong every single time.

Conservatives only care about their ideology, which says that the rich deserve to be rich and everyone else deserves to be poor. Remember, Jesus Christ was a Marxist.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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If worker A at McDonald's is paid $1 more than worker B...you really see that just being expectable???? (same job)
Not only is it acceptable, it's common. I worked in the food service industry for several years when I was younger, including fast food management. Older, more reliable workers get paid more than younglings at their first job. Go-getters who were willing to step up and cover shifts or do a little bit extra to help out get paid more than the ones who are just there for a paycheck.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So paying people more money in your mind won't lift people out of poverty?

And that's not why conservatives are upset. conservatives are angry because conservatism is at its core about exclusion.

For conservatives rich people and businesses regularly using the government for their own benefit is a normal and right use of the government because those people count to conservatives.

Working class Americans doing to the same angers conservatives because to conservatives those people don't count.
Nope. It hasn't in the past. We've raised the min wage and it has not eradicated poverty.
What we do is raise the FPL and continue to provide welfare benefits.
Why do you think it will work this time ?
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:44 AM
 
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Way to misrepresent what I'm saying.

The short answer is that raising the minimum wage won't actually pay anyone more money, it will merely change the value of the currency.

Now for the long answer:

Here's a question for you; when is the last time that raising the minimum wage had the long term effect of lifting minimum wage earners out of poverty? It has never happened, due to the basic laws of economics. Minimum wage is the absolute bottom of the economic totem pole for the working class, and it always will be (unless common sense prevails and minimum wage is done away with - which is highly doubtful). This means that no matter how many times the government raises the minimum wage, it will always be substantially lower than the median wage once the market corrects itself. Since every single luxury item in existence, as well as many necessities, is price-pointed for the median wage earner or the wealthy, minimum wage earners will still be unable to afford the same products they are unable to afford now. Every person who supports raising the minimum wage is completely ignoring the laws of economics, and is doing nothing but providing false hope to people who need an actual solution to their problems.

If you want to lift people out of poverty, push for programs that teach trade skills and basic budgeting skills to working people who are at or below poverty level. You still won't lift them all out of poverty, but at least you'll have a chance of helping some of them.
Sure it lifts people out of poverty. The poverty rate is not determined the way you seem to imagine.
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