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Old 05-19-2014, 02:55 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Yep - I'm sure there are a lot of high school kids who agree with you.
All of the years I ran my business I paid my employees well, and it certainly paid off for me...I paid them a percentage of whatever profits I earned...It wasn't an hourly income though....Generally fishers pay a percentage of what they are paid to the crew, less expenses...A happy crew is a hard working crew.
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Old 05-19-2014, 03:19 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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She is asking for an increase of over 62%. She never did get around to explaining why she thought she was worth that kind of increase. She didn't sound smart enough to me to be worth $15/hr, and I doubt she would work any harder for it. At any rate, refusing to show up for her shift is cause for firing (there is not 'right to strike' for non-union employees). I'd fire her stupid ass! There are plenty of people who would love to have her $9.25/hr job.

Does she realize that if she and her co-workers successfully unionized, much of that increase would be eaten up by union dues?

McDonald's has already eliminated some of the better burgers that used to be on their menu, and downgraded others, to combat higher costs, and keep the items reasonably affordable. If they are forced to cut back again, they will be losing serious business. We ate there a few months ago for the first time in a couple of years. Our favorite burger is no longer on the menu, and we had to settle for one which, frankly, just didn't measure up. I wouldn't say it was awful, but it was a far cry from the one we used to like, besides costing more. I wouldn't go back. It wasn't worth the money we paid for that mediocre meal.
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Old 05-19-2014, 03:22 AM
 
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So if an employer and I are free to agree to trade my labor for $1 per hour, am I allowed in your world to trade with a landlord for the use of housing that the landlord can profitably provide to me?

If not, why not?
This isn't "my world", this is market economics. It isn't in "my world" that people don't deserve a certain amount of money per hour, it's in the real world they don't. If you provide no value that someone wants to pay $15/hr for then you need to get off your behind and make yourself a more valuable contributor to society. Someone who calls himself freemkt should know that already.
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Old 05-19-2014, 03:26 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Nobody deserves any wage at all. Labor is a commodity just like anything else. You don't deserve a hamburger for $1 or a hamburger for $10. The hamburger has a price that the seller is willing to part with it for. If you're willing to pay that price for the hamburger, then you get the hamburger. If not, then no sale is made. It's the same for your labor. The employer has a job they want done and a price they are willing to pay to have that job done. If spending your time doing that job is worth the price the employer is willing to pay and your level of skill and efficiency in doing that job meets the standards the employer is lookign for, then you do the job. If not, the employer finds someone else to employ and you find another job. That's it.
This is the right answer. It's good to see that there are some people that are smart enough to understand the relationship of employer/employee, and wages.

When no one is willing to do a job at a price that is offered, the employer will find another way to get it done (automation).

You must be worth $15/hr in order to be paid $15/hr.
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Old 05-19-2014, 03:34 AM
 
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And white working class support for liberals and their policies keep declining.
Who cares about white working class? They aren't reproducing so in a couple generations they won't matter at all.
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Old 05-19-2014, 03:40 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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She needs 15 bucks an hour because her degrees in humanities and photography will get her nowhere.
Did I miss something? I didn't hear her say she had any degrees. She can barely speak. How could she obtain a degree in anything?

However, I would say that a good photographer (especially a commercial photographer) can make good money. I used to work for one.
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Old 05-19-2014, 04:23 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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So if an employer and I are free to agree to trade my labor for $1 per hour, am I allowed in your world to trade with a landlord for the use of housing that the landlord can profitably provide to me?

If not, why not?
If you and the employer agree to one dollar an hour you and your landlord can agree to rent. You don't like 1 dollar an hour don't work , you don't like the cost of rent don't rent from them
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Old 05-19-2014, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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So if an employer and I are free to agree to trade my labor for $1 per hour, am I allowed in your world to trade with a landlord for the use of housing that the landlord can profitably provide to me?

If not, why not?
Depends on what commodity you are willing to trade....
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Old 05-19-2014, 04:34 AM
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MicDonald's response to Europeans wanting wage increases:

EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Battling Higher Minimum Wages: McDonald's Just Bought Touch Screen Cashier Kiosks for Its 7,000 European Locations

When will people understand the economy is still in bad shape and businesses - big and small - can not afford these kind of increases. It will just put more people out of jobs.
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Old 05-19-2014, 04:47 AM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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She needs 15 bucks an hour because her degrees in humanities and photography will get her nowhere.
Another poet and dreamer. Once she has that type of degree in hand, she'll be wishing she could make $9.25 an hour with it. Next she'll be crying about her student loans and how burdensome they are. I wonder how many kids she has?
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