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Hearing on “Working Families in Financial Crisis: Medical Debt and Bankruptcy”
Tuesday July 17, 2007 1:00 pm
Room 2141 Rayburn House Office Building
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What makes someone so desperate as to cling to a lie?
When I post that the #1 cause of bankruptcy Mircea responds with....
nonsense. What?
OK so I assume he means that this political hearing is what he is using to refute my statement. (All of us knowing how honest politicians are). No link of course.
Apparently political hearings are where mircea gets his information.
Here is a quote from the public hearing he is referencing:
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The question of whether the medical debt is causing, pardon me, many of the bankruptcies in the country is one that has been stirring since we passed the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act in 2005. At that time, Professors Warren and Himmelstein published results of their study on this issue. According to them, up to 54.5 percent of personal bankruptcies were caused by medical issues. But those alleged results have been hotly debated since publication. For example, Professor Dranove of the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University along with his co-author, Michael Millenson has argued that the Warren and Himmelstein study failed to demonstrate a causal relationship between medical spending and anything even approaching half of bankruptcies."
Apparently me using a different source then him makes me the "fallacy king". All hail the king?
Heres a better link that isn't a huge wall of text with various contexts, and extraneous information for folks:
It rates it as "half true" in that it depends on your definitions. Go read it.
Mircea, calling people names is not contributing to a conversation, labeling people "fallacy king" just indicates that you cant handle the discussion. Please act like an adult. If you can.
I don't believe you.
Government insurance is what everybody gets.
Even Danny Williams, who went to Florida to get his cardiac surgery could have had the exact same surgery here. As a matter of fact, we PIONEERED that particular surgery. He just wanted to recover in sunny Florida in the dead of winter, where he has a vacation condo.. Who wouldn't?
If the rich don't feel like waiting for elective surgery they're free to go elsewhere. That being said, it's the same healthcare for everyone. There's no economic incentive for doctors to favour the wealthy. They get paid the same, whether the patient is rich or poor.
Elective is a very vague term.
Some cardiac surgery is "elective" cough cough. Except in the USA you will get it within days. In Canada your wait could be as long as 6 weeks. I'm not going to bore with with what's semi elective and what's truly elective in medicine
That's just one example. For truly elective stuff like colonoscopies. Again it's debatable because outside the screening colons and follow up. Some people with positive stool guiac tests want to get in much sooner than some social medicine countries you are looking at a 2-3 month wait. I ain't talking about profuse bleeding here. I am talking just a positive stool guiac test. Most countries would just brush that aside and make you wait.
In the USA unless u can caught in the end of the year rush (December month when deductibles have been met). You are going to get to see a gastroenterologist and get scoped within a 2-4 week period. Often times less than a week.
That's one of the reasons American medicine is expensive. Do you cut down on procedures? Rule the positive stool guiac is nothing as long as no other symptoms? Or try to explore the situation much sooner? And at what cost?
The VA operated on a limited budget with W2 employed physicians.
What does this mean? It means there is very little incentive to go the extra effort to get work done. I have many friends who do work either directly for the VA for contract out. It's no secret most elective stuff shut down after 3pm. And elective is a very vague term. And so things just getting pushed down the line.
Are all VAs the same? No. You have good ones and bad ones. But that's the problem. A real big problem. No accountability.
And the scary thing is the VA has one of the best electronic health records system. They should be more organized but aren't.
Say what? !!!!!! Whatever happened to doing your job? You know, that thing you do day in and day out that gets you a paycheck?
I'm told that the Vet ID card is easily reprogrammed to a credit card for purposes of medical care. A little bit of programming and any vet could walk into any healthcare facility, swipe the card, be served, and the bill goes to the government.
Yeah there would be a bit of programming involved. And then there is that oversight issue.
But I can guarantee that organizations like Kaiser and Sutter and Catholic Healthcare Services (California) would fall over themselves to get all these new patients. VA employees would find jobs in these private organizations. Hell, the big HMO's y would fall over themselves to buy existing VA facilities to better serve all their new patients.
I had great experiences with the VA clinic in White Plains NY; the doctor and staff took much more time and interest in me than even my old family physician. They picked up a problem or two that had previously been undiscovered.
From what I gather every facility is different in quality.
Are you capable of understanding basic English?
I was responding to a poster who claimed he heard from Canadians that getting private insurance will deal with wait times.
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How kind and thoughtful of you. Your intial response was confused and the grammer so poor that one was unable to comprehend what you were trying to say. Next time, as is taught in any basic literature class, be clear and concise. In that manner, you will not appear as an idiot and there would be no need for clarification later.
How kind and thoughtful of you. Your intial response was confused and the grammer so poor that one was unable to comprehend what you were trying to say. Next time, as is taught in any basic literature class, be clear and concise. In that manner, you will not appear as an idiot and there would be no need for clarification later.
Really? This confused you? How much clearer could it possibly be? I'm sorry a simple sentence confused you so. Little wonder your secretary has to go over your work.
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Originally Posted by weltschmerz
Either you're lying or they are.
Additional personal healthcare insurance covers things like glasses, dental,
ambulance, private rooms, physio, acupuncture, therapeutic massage, etc.
the Number of people eligible for VA benefits has more than quadrupled since 2001, and yet, the Budget of the VA has only gone form 53 billion to 140 billion.
Money must not be the problem, though. They had plenty of money for office furniture and bonuses for employees that didn't deserve them.
Can you explain to me how more money would have kept the corrupt and disgusting "secret lists" from happening? That wasn't a lack of money. It was an act of pure evil - lining their pockets at the expense of dying vets.
We knew libs would say lack of funding was the problem sooner or later.... read "higher taxes". Their answer always is to throw more money at the problem.
How about we take healthcare away from the illegals that get it, no questions asked? That should free up plenty of money to give to veterans.
But the left will never go for that - illegals vote left and the military votes right. Who do you think they want to cater to?
I'm told that the Vet ID card is easily reprogrammed to a credit card for purposes of medical care. A little bit of programming and any vet could walk into any healthcare facility, swipe the card, be served, and the bill goes to the government.
Yeah there would be a bit of programming involved. And then there is that oversight issue.
But I can guarantee that organizations like Kaiser and Sutter and Catholic Healthcare Services (California) would fall over themselves to get all these new patients. VA employees would find jobs in these private organizations. Hell, the big HMO's y would fall over themselves to buy existing VA facilities to better serve all their new patients.
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You mean eliminate the government owned healthcare system in favor of expanded Medicare that utilizes that private sector and non-profits? That kind of crazy talk sounds like single payer socialism to me!!!
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