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Old 05-22-2014, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Also from your linked article:

82 percent of those receiving benefits said if their unemployment compensation were to run out prior to their finding a job, they would “search harder and wider for a job.”

This has always been the case.
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Old 05-22-2014, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Are you really so unaware of current trends in disability fillings, increases of the last few years? Disability is relatively easy to get and the abuses of this government program will astound you, or maybe not.

NPR, "Unfit for work, the startling rise of disability in America" by Chana Joffe-Walt. Go read it, grab all the statistics you want and then come back.
We see the state governments looking to hire private contractors to seek out their state welfare recipients to get off state-funded welfare and onto social security disability.
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Old 05-22-2014, 02:46 PM
 
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47% of 7 percent is what we're talking about or slightly less than 3.5%.

That's not a lot of people. Also most of them are over the age of 50 while a significant number are married women with small children who's spouse works.


Ignorant comments deserve many facepalms.
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Old 05-22-2014, 04:01 PM
 
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47% of 7 percent is what we're talking about or slightly less than 3.5%.

That's not a lot of people. Also most of them are over the age of 50 while a significant number are married women with small children who's spouse works.
The sample was 1500 UE it states. 7%? Are you attempting to extrapolate and reference U3?

Can't assume that. That wouldn't address how the definitions are applied and how the UE numbers can be reduced.

Not enough info on how the poll was done either. Might be on the site.

Not surprising numbers, however.
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Old 05-22-2014, 04:10 PM
 
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Are you really so unaware of current trends in disability fillings, increases of the last few years? Disability is relatively easy to get and the abuses of this government program will astound you, or maybe not.

NPR, "Unfit for work, the startling rise of disability in America" by Chana Joffe-Walt. Go read it, grab all the statistics you want and then come back.

Yes, it is relatively easy to get if you hire one of those ambulance chaser lawyers (as seen on TV) to appeal your standard initial denial - my question is, what do people do during the year or so it takes to win an appeal?
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Old 05-22-2014, 04:18 PM
 
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They transfer to disability roles. The federal government spends more money each year on cash payments for disabled former workers than it spends on food stamps and welfare combined.
There are increases in disability. (you don't specify, which type)
What percent of disability cases does Social Security approve?
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Old 05-22-2014, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Wow, math fail. It's not 47% of the population, or even the population that can work (including the employed). It's 47% of the people polled (1,500, good sample) of the 7% unemployed didn't disagree with the statement "I’ve completely given up on looking for a job."

No one was asked if they actually had stopped looking for a job in the poll.

Also 91% in the same sample agreed with the statement they would find a job in the next 6 months. One cannot find a job if they actually stopped looking entirely. This is such basic logical reasoning I am ashamed of some people.



So 47% of the 7% unemployed were not hopeful (3.5%)...3.5% are discouraged about finding a job, and it looks like 9% of those people were not hopeful of getting one or actually stopped. 9% of 3.5% is not 47% of unemployed.

Do people actually read their links?
Ah, you do realize that you just reiterated what the OP stated, don't you?

Funny how 3.5% of the population is a little number now...but when 3% of the population was quoted as not having health care, it was enough justification to forcefeed Obamacare on the entire population.
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Old 05-22-2014, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Austin
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There are increases in disability. (you don't specify, which type)
What percent of disability cases does Social Security approve?

http://www.richmondfed.org/publicati...f/feature3.pdf

Some of the more interesting bits…the number on SSDI is up 30% in the recession, in the past 30 years the average age of those on SSDI has declined, those with claimed (and difficult to prove) mental disorders has doubled, those with a HS degree or less have been over-represented among new recipients.

"Economists point to a change in eligibility requirements to the rapid rise. This change allows for an applicant’s reported pain or discomfort, even in the absence of a clear medical diagnosis. In addition, workers could qualify if they had multiple conditions that affected their ability to work, even if none of the conditions was disabling on its own.”
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Old 05-22-2014, 05:08 PM
 
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I't an online poll....nuff said.
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Old 05-22-2014, 05:26 PM
 
Location: TN/NC
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The unemployed constitute far more than just 7%. Take U-6, those who are currently discouraged but monitoring market and will reenter when conditions improve, those hiding in school, etc, and you get probably 17% affected. Many of those are long term unemployed and are probably done.
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