Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 05-27-2014, 05:26 PM
 
79,907 posts, read 44,199,011 times
Reputation: 17209

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Odo View Post
...or misunderstood them.
I guess its only the special ones that understand them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-27-2014, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
33,536 posts, read 37,140,220 times
Reputation: 14000
Quote:
Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
We've had cooling since 1492. Anyone can play that game.
Sure thing anyone can lie, but some of us don't.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-27-2014, 06:22 PM
 
79,907 posts, read 44,199,011 times
Reputation: 17209
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanspeur View Post
Sure thing anyone can lie, but some of us don't.
Lies by omission are still lies.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-27-2014, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
33,536 posts, read 37,140,220 times
Reputation: 14000
Quote:
Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
Lies by omission are still lies.
I agree...The temperature was flat from 1492 till 1890, and has been rising rapidly ever since.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-27-2014, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
6,104 posts, read 5,990,747 times
Reputation: 2479
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
You might listen, but when you're done listening you declare facts that contradict Republican dogma to be junk science. You claimed that no one had compared volcanic and anthropogenic CO2 emissions. When I proved you wrong, you declared it to be junk science. You didn't show this to be the case or even try, you just declared it to be so.



I guess he doen't accept that carbon has several isotopes and the mix of isotopes is different depending on thew source of carbon. Hence, it is possible to identify if the source of carbon is natural or from burning fossil fuels. Much of the increase since 1750 comes from burning fossil fuels. If our world had stayed as it was in 1750 the natural processes wouldn't have changed the amount of CO2 from the level it had since the end of the last ice age. The only catch is we would have to kill 6 billion people, and erase all technology created since 1750. Any one up to the challenge?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-27-2014, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
3,401 posts, read 2,284,721 times
Reputation: 1072
Quote:
Originally Posted by mwruckman View Post
I guess he doen't accept that carbon has several isotopes and the mix of isotopes is different depending on thew source of carbon.
Couldn't say, because he didn't make any argument. He just stated that it had never been measured then declared it to be junk science when showed otherwise.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-27-2014, 09:10 PM
 
19,718 posts, read 10,121,382 times
Reputation: 13086
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanspeur View Post
I agree...The temperature was flat from 1492 till 1890, and has been rising rapidly ever since.
In the 1970s, most scientists were claiming that temps were falling. In fact, the theory was we would have another ice age. Of course, the earth has had natural heating and cooling cycles since it was created. In the last century there were temperature peaks in the 30s, 50s, and 80s and cooling periods between. I just don't think that the Climate Change proponents have proved that this is anything but a natural warm cycle.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-27-2014, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Vernon, British Columbia
3,026 posts, read 3,646,380 times
Reputation: 2196
Quote:
Originally Posted by Floorist View Post
In the 1970s, most scientists were claiming that temps were falling. In fact, the theory was we would have another ice age. Of course, the earth has had natural heating and cooling cycles since it was created. In the last century there were temperature peaks in the 30s, 50s, and 80s and cooling periods between. I just don't think that the Climate Change proponents have proved that this is anything but a natural warm cycle.
Modern instrument records began in 1663. Before that time it is really hard to compare because the proxies are not all that reliable, and have huge margins of error. Now, it is 100% true that the past 50 years have been the warmest on record, but sometimes it's nice to take the derivative so see the velocity, acceleration, and jerk associated with the warming.

Here we go with a 50 year running average.







In summary:

There is nothing unusual about the warming in terms of velocity, acceleration, and jerk, but there is in terms of magnitude. This is likely because we have been recovering from the last cool spell for more than 400 years.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-28-2014, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
33,536 posts, read 37,140,220 times
Reputation: 14000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Floorist View Post
In the 1970s, most scientists were claiming that temps were falling. In fact, the theory was we would have another ice age. Of course, the earth has had natural heating and cooling cycles since it was created. In the last century there were temperature peaks in the 30s, 50s, and 80s and cooling periods between. I just don't think that the Climate Change proponents have proved that this is anything but a natural warm cycle.
Well you would be wrong. The supposed "global cooling" consensus among scientists in the 1970s — frequently offered by global-warming skeptics as proof that climatologists can't make up their minds — is a myth, according to a survey of the scientific literature of the era. Study debunks 'global cooling' concern of '70s - USATODAY.com

What you think does not change the fact that the earth is warming, and we are the cause... The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.

Certain facts about Earth's climate are not in dispute:
  • The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century. Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. Increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response.
Climate Change: Evidence
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-28-2014, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
33,536 posts, read 37,140,220 times
Reputation: 14000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glacierx View Post
Modern instrument records began in 1663. Before that time it is really hard to compare because the proxies are not all that reliable, and have huge margins of error. Now, it is 100% true that the past 50 years have been the warmest on record, but sometimes it's nice to take the derivative so see the velocity, acceleration, and jerk associated with the warming.

Here we go with a 50 year running average.




In summary:

There is nothing unusual about the warming in terms of velocity, acceleration, and jerk, but there is in terms of magnitude. This is likely because we have been recovering from the last cool spell for more than 400 years.
I'm not sure where the three graphs came from, or what area they represent, as I was not able to find them on the Met Office site, but your link is to a temperature graph of central England only.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:47 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top