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Old 05-31-2014, 06:08 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Again a Central Bank is just like the Federal Reserve and it is government that causes the booms and busts. How come you don't understand that?
How come you don't understand we had more boom and busts when we didn't have a Fed Reserve and used the gold standard. Also had actual bank runs back then too. The Fed isn't perfect but things are more stable than they were.
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Old 05-31-2014, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Texas
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How come you don't understand we had more boom and busts when we didn't have a Fed Reserve and used the gold standard. Also had actual bank runs back then too. The Fed isn't perfect but things are more stable than they were.
How come you don't understand the Federal Reserve is just like a National bank and they were political just like the Federal Reserve is today. And those pre Fed booms and busts were a result of the same government interference using the same means that they use today.
How come you don't understand the fact that government is the cause of our booms and busts and without the Fed or a National bank they can't accomplish their goal of economic control?

You keep avoiding this like the plague.

btw when Jackson did away with the national bank our debt almost went away. It was 34k.

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Old 05-31-2014, 06:26 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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I have heard many conspiracy plots involving G(H)W Bush, but I have never read/saw anything credible.


Your first source said GW Bush would never kill Osama bin Laden, because of the Bush family's business dealings with the Bin Laden's. But Osama bin Laden has already been killed by the US government (by orders from GW Bush.)


Your second source says "GHW Bush, a concealed pedophile, was instrumental in running a teen-ager prostitution ring, Omaha, Nebraska, Chicago, District of Columbia."

But what incentive does does GHW Bush have to run a teen-ager prostitution ring, in Omaha, Nebraska, Chicago, and the District of Columbia?

GHW Bush is a rich and highly successful international businessman, and he does not need the trivial money from running a prostitution ring. And being caught would destroy his business contacts, and destroy the massive amounts of profits he makes with those contacts, it would also destroy business dealings for his entire family.

Being caught would also destroy his historically powerful family name, and destroy the chances of future Bush's being in politics (and destroy the many benefits his family gets from political connections.) And being caught would destroy his place in history as a honorable US president.

I do not believe GHW Bush has any incentive to run a prostitution ring, nor would he risk destroying his and his family business contacts by doing such things.


Your third source says "Jeb Bush, VP George Herbert Walker Bush and Oliver North Murdered CIA Drug Smuggler Barry Seal in February, 1986."

But three (Columbians) were convicted of the crime. Why would powerful US government officials hire (Columbians) to kill people, and then as your source says, tell those Columbians they were working for Lt. Col. Oliver North.

If Oliver North hired Columbians to kill someone, would Oliver North tell those Columbians his name?

I do not believe Oliver North is stupid enough to hire someone for murder, and then tell the people he hired his name. Oliver North would have had people under him hire and pay the hit men (and Oliver Norths name would have not been told to the hit men.)

And I don't believe Bush or North would put themselves in a situation where low level Colombian hit men would know their names.

Sorry if I was rude,
Chad.
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Old 05-31-2014, 07:44 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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You still have shown no proof that Rand is corporate backed. Which policies does Rand have that cow tow to the corporate elite? Loosen regulations? That's a conservative principle, getting government out of our daily lives.
In 2014 Rand Paul was given $17.8 million dollars in campaign funds. This money was given to him primarily by CEO's from large corporations.

https://www.opensecrets.org/politici...30836&newMem=N


In return Rand Paul supports the following things that will increase the CEO's corporate and personal incomes.

1. Privatizes Social Security and Medicare- this will divert Americas Social Security money to Wall Street and America's large corporations.

2. Institute a flat tax: "Paul would replace the current progressive tax system with a flat tax rate, effectively providing the wealthiest Americans with a massive tax cut while raising taxes on many middle- and lower-class families."

3. Eliminates investment taxes: "Paul’s plan finds a way to grant the wealthy an even bigger tax cut by also eliminating all taxes on capital gains, dividends, and other investment income."

The 5 Worst Things About Rand Paul's Budget Proposal | ThinkProgress


Rand Paul also opposes things like high min wage laws and workers unions (and both those actions also increase corporate profits.)
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Old 05-31-2014, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Texas
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In 2014 Rand Paul was given $17.8 million dollars in campaign funds. This money was given to him primarily by CEO's from large corporations.

https://www.opensecrets.org/politici...30836&newMem=N


In return Rand Paul supports the following things that will increase the CEO's corporate and personal incomes.

1. Privatizes Social Security and Medicare- this will divert Americas Social Security money to Wall Street and America's large corporations.

2. Institute a flat tax: "Paul would replace the current progressive tax system with a flat tax rate, effectively providing the wealthiest Americans with a massive tax cut while raising taxes on many middle- and lower-class families."

3. Eliminates investment taxes: "Paul’s plan finds a way to grant the wealthy an even bigger tax cut by also eliminating all taxes on capital gains, dividends, and other investment income."

The 5 Worst Things About Rand Paul's Budget Proposal | ThinkProgress


Rand Paul also opposes things like high min wage laws and workers unions (and both those actions also increase corporate profits.)
Did you know when Clinton cut the investment tax from 28 to 20 percent investments increased which helped the economy? How does the flat tax hurt the middle and lower class? Is it because they have so many loopholes now?
From your previous post Ron Paul is a strait shooter and he will not do everything the large corporations want, so the large corporations don't give him money.

sigh...All the things you outlined, Ron Paul was for. Rand and Ron agree on with each other an overwhelming majority of the time. The difference is their delivery and how they discuss the issues.
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:36 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Did you know when Clinton cut the investment tax from 28 to 20 percent investments increased which helped the economy? How does the flat tax hurt the middle and lower class? Is it because they have so many loopholes now?
From your previous post Ron Paul is a strait shooter and he will not do everything the large corporations want, so the large corporations don't give him money.

sigh...All the things you outlined, Ron Paul was for. Rand and Ron agree on with each other an overwhelming majority of the time. The difference is their delivery and how they discuss the issues.
Capital gains taxes are how rich CEO's pay their taxes, and capital gains cuts do nothing except help the rich make more money.

"There is no evidence that tax breaks for capital gains contribute to economic growth."
The above statement comes from leading expert's.
Raising Today


"Cutting capital gains rates reduces revenues over the long run. That’s the conclusion of the federal government’s official revenue-estimating agencies." And cutting capital gains tax rates creates deficits and grows the national debt.

Policy Points: Experts Agree That Capital Gains Tax Cuts Lose Revenue — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities


"Capital Gains Tax Cuts Are ‘By Far’ The Biggest Contributor To Growth In Income Inequality."
Capital Gains Tax Cuts 'By Far' The Biggest Contributor To Growth In Income Inequality, Study Finds | ThinkProgress



And the flat tax reduces taxes for the wealthy and raises taxes for everyone else.

Flat Tax Will Benefit Only the Rich - US News
Perry's flat tax: Almost all wealthy households get a cut - Oct. 31, 2011


And as far as Ron and Rand. You know Washington is a deadlocked blob that does nothing. If you ever heard Ron Paul talk you would know he would shake things up, he would flip things over, and he would be telling everyone in Washington what the hell is up (without caring who the hell he upsets.)

Do you honestly believe the Washington club would let that man in there to shake them up?

The money says it all.

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Old 06-01-2014, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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What's really stupid is not understanding the point that it was government that created this situation. Slavery is the grossest form of violation of the right of association. Slavery and Jim Crow were imposed by government. This is pretty simple stuff.
No, they weren't. Slavery developed over several decades in the late 17th century and was codified into law afterward. The same with Jim Crow laws. They were enacted by racist individuals with political power who banded together against individuals of another race who had been stripped of any political power by violence and other forms of coercion.

You paulistas blame everything on the government when, in fact, evil has repeatedly been created by individuals in the absence of laws or even despite what laws say. Government didn't force your boy Ronnie to publish his racist newsletters back in the early 1990s.
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Old 06-01-2014, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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Ron Paul published a newsletter that sometimes insulted and demeaned black people

Rand Paul said he would not have voted for the 1964 civil rights bill.

In my opinion, those facts should disqualify either from holding elected political office let alone the Presidency.
You need to read further into both of those subjects. It did not
have anything to do with civil rights in general.

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Old 06-01-2014, 08:15 AM
 
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I have heard many conspiracy plots involving G(H)W Bush, but I have never read/saw anything credible.
would know their names.

Sorry if I was rude,
Chad.
"Credibility" is a funny thing.

While in reality, it can be created and destroyed, by "construction", it also can be created or destroyed, or mended away.

People in Government lead "constructed" lives.

Some lead constructed lies.

Ollie North, Dick Cheney, were, over the top.

But, let's cement the point, by what one of our greatest leaders pined, "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

Can't we all just move forward?

Or, is it, "Can't we all just move along?"
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Old 06-01-2014, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Capital gains taxes are how rich CEO's pay their taxes, and capital gains cuts do nothing except help the rich make more money.

"There is no evidence that tax breaks for capital gains contribute to economic growth."
The above statement comes from leading expert's.
Raising Today


"Cutting capital gains rates reduces revenues over the long run. That’s the conclusion of the federal government’s official revenue-estimating agencies." And cutting capital gains tax rates creates deficits and grows the national debt.

Policy Points: Experts Agree That Capital Gains Tax Cuts Lose Revenue — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities


"Capital Gains Tax Cuts Are ‘By Far’ The Biggest Contributor To Growth In Income Inequality."
Capital Gains Tax Cuts 'By Far' The Biggest Contributor To Growth In Income Inequality, Study Finds | ThinkProgress



And the flat tax reduces taxes for the wealthy and raises taxes for everyone else.

Flat Tax Will Benefit Only the Rich - US News
Perry's flat tax: Almost all wealthy households get a cut - Oct. 31, 2011


And as far as Ron and Rand. You know Washington is a deadlocked blob that does nothing. If you ever heard Ron Paul talk you would know he would shake things up, he would flip things over, and he would be telling everyone in Washington what the hell is up (without caring who the hell he upsets.)

Do you honestly believe the Washington club would let that man in there to shake them up?

The money says it all.
I agree with following the money trail. It's always about policy. But you still don't get that Ron and Rand are almost lock step on the issues? How could you not know that? You've lost credibility based on that imo.
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