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Old 05-25-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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Gates knows exactly what he's doing and does demand accountability.
IMHO Gates has been successful in getting his notion of education into the schools.
That depends on what the goals are. He has experienced failure:
Bill Gates Gets Schooled - Businessweek
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Old 05-25-2014, 09:51 AM
 
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I have no issues with Zuckerberg....he has founded one of the major culprits of societies apathy. He has played a huge hand in the decline of civilization.

At least he is giving back tons of money he never deserved. His philanthropy mwy indeed be self serving. But at least it is symbolic of how lost humanity is.
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Old 05-25-2014, 09:51 AM
 
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That depends on what the goals are. He has experienced failure:
Bill Gates Gets Schooled - Businessweek
Yeah..when they first started doing that type of work. But if you look at the Gates Foundation today and what it does I'd say they learned "the game" and how it's played.

Melinda Gates own words from your link..they did pretty much what Zuckerberg did..hand over money:


"If you want to equate being naive with being inexperienced, then we were definitely naive when we first started," she says.
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Old 05-25-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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Yeah..when they first started doing that type of work. But if you look at the Gates Foundation today and what it does I'd say they learned "the game" and how it's played.

Melinda Gates own words from your link..they did pretty much what Zuckerberg did..hand over money:


"If you want to equate being naive with being inexperienced, then we were definitely naive when we first started," she says.
Yep. Everyone who has tried to donate to schools and work with them on school improvement quickly learns that letting the public schools spend the money is wastefully ineffective. They don't know what they're doing. An outside manager making much more effective budget and policy decisions is a significantly better way to go. That's when positive outcomes result.

In essence, what Gates and Zuckerberg have done is proven that public school administrators, contrary to their insistence otherwise , have little to no clue what they're doing and are largely costly and ineffective (just like any other government bureaucracy). Makes a hell of an argument for privatizing our country's K-12 education system.
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Old 05-25-2014, 03:40 PM
 
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Gates knows exactly what he's doing and does demand accountability.
IMHO Gates has been successful in getting his notion of education into the schools.
Mr. & Mrs. Gates have had a much longer time at this while it was Mr. Zuckerberg's first time at the rodeo. The man just came into billions and needed to do *something* to lower his tax exposure if nothing else. It is like your average Joe hits the number and comes into big money. Odds are he will be hit up with requests for this or that donation which he will do thinking it is the right thing. Later on when details get out the guy finds his money was basically wasted/went into graft.

Corey Booker met Mr. Zuckerman at some retreat and began his spiel at that time according to published reports. MB was a naĂŻf who just became the latest tech billionaire and liked the then mayor of Newark's "story".

Let's face it next to starving orphans and widows the most popular "cause" for the liberal left is the *plight* of urban/inner city AA and other minority children. No one wants to ask about accountability from their parents or even the community, but the answer is always how disadvantaged their schools are money wise. So lets throw more of it at them and the problems should go away. Go down to Detroit and see how that theory has worked out.
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Old 05-25-2014, 03:59 PM
 
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Mr. & Mrs. Gates have had a much longer time at this while it was Mr. Zuckerberg's first time at the rodeo. The man just came into billions and needed to do *something* to lower his tax exposure if nothing else. It is like your average Joe hits the number and comes into big money. Odds are he will be hit up with requests for this or that donation which he will do thinking it is the right thing. Later on when details get out the guy finds his money was basically wasted/went into graft.

Corey Booker met Mr. Zuckerman at some retreat and began his spiel at that time according to published reports. MB was a naĂŻf who just became the latest tech billionaire and liked the then mayor of Newark's "story".

Let's face it next to starving orphans and widows the most popular "cause" for the liberal left is the *plight* of urban/inner city AA and other minority children. No one wants to ask about accountability from their parents or even the community, but the answer is always how disadvantaged their schools are money wise. So lets throw more of it at them and the problems should go away. Go down to Detroit and see how that theory has worked out.
Inner-city public schools aren't financially disadvantaged, though. They're frequently the schools that spend the most.

Public schools graduation rates:

Chicago Public Schools: 65.4%
Los Angeles Unified School District: 66%
New York City Public Schools: 64.7%
Atlanta Public Schools: 59%


Cost per student per year:

Chicago Public Schools: $13,433
Los Angeles Unified School District: $19,000
New York City Public Schools: $19,000
Atlanta Public Schools: $13,150
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Old 05-25-2014, 05:05 PM
 
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Inner-city public schools aren't financially disadvantaged, though. They're frequently the schools that spend the most.

Public schools graduation rates:

Chicago Public Schools: 65.4%
Los Angeles Unified School District: 66%
New York City Public Schools: 64.7%
Atlanta Public Schools: 59%


Cost per student per year:

Chicago Public Schools: $13,433
Los Angeles Unified School District: $19,000
New York City Public Schools: $19,000
Atlanta Public Schools: $13,150

No? Isn't that everything cost more in inner cities so the cost per student is higher as well?
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Old 05-25-2014, 05:17 PM
 
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No? Isn't that everything cost more in inner cities so the cost per student is higher as well?
Why? Teachers don't have to live in the inner-city to teach there, public schools pay no property tax. Where's the extra expense? There is none.
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Old 05-25-2014, 05:19 PM
 
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Inner-city public schools aren't financially disadvantaged, though. They're frequently the schools that spend the most.

Public schools graduation rates:

Chicago Public Schools: 65.4%
Los Angeles Unified School District: 66%
New York City Public Schools: 64.7%
Atlanta Public Schools: 59%


Cost per student per year:

Chicago Public Schools: $13,433
Los Angeles Unified School District: $19,000
New York City Public Schools: $19,000
Atlanta Public Schools: $13,150
Yikes and the schools in these districts reduce standards dramatically.
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Old 05-25-2014, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Many examples, including Gates' and Zuckerberg's extremely generous but ineffective donations, and decades of studies, including the grand Kansas City experiment:
An Educational Experiment Yields Some Astonishing Sobering Lessons - Chicago Tribune
Round & round we go all in an attempt to avoid recognizing the obvious.
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