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Old 05-28-2014, 11:36 AM
 
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
Tim McVeigh killed 168 with his.
…because it's apparently SO much easier to rig a truck with a fertilizer bomb than it is to get access to an automatic weapon

 
Old 05-28-2014, 11:38 AM
 
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Originally Posted by voiceofreazon View Post
…because it's apparently SO much easier to rig a truck with a fertilizer bomb than it is to get access to an automatic weapon
What automatic weapon?
 
Old 05-28-2014, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Spokane, WA
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Originally Posted by voiceofreazon View Post
…because it's apparently SO much easier to rig a truck with a fertilizer bomb than it is to get access to an automatic weapon
Which one is easier. Trucks and fertilizer are sold to anyone, just about anywhere. Automatic weapons are pretty hard to come by.
 
Old 05-28-2014, 11:40 AM
 
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Tim McVeigh killed 168 with his.
Tim McVeigh used his car to GET AWAY from the killing.

If the Feds hadn't stolen his license plates he might have gotten away.
 
Old 05-28-2014, 11:41 AM
 
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There are two issues to this..
The kid was a product of a society that has entitlement issues and little to no sense of personal responsibility for their actions or their success or lack thereof in their lives…
Unless you are qualified to make a psychological evaluation here you are just making generalizations. Is an entitlement belief a good thing? Probably not as a generalization but it's just a generalization.

He was mentally ill. They do not think like you or I do.

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AND…

He had easy access to a device, the sole purpose of which is the efficient killing or wounding of other human beings.

Pretty dangerous combination if you ask me.
Someday we may decide to try and address that. It doesn't look to be anytime soon as it seems far too many are still only interested in partisan politics.
 
Old 05-28-2014, 12:29 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Originally Posted by voiceofreazon View Post
There are two issues to this..
The kid was a product of a society that has entitlement issues and little to no sense of personal responsibility for their actions or their success or lack thereof in their lives…

AND…

He had easy access to a device, the sole purpose of which is the efficient killing or wounding of other human beings.

Pretty dangerous combination if you ask me.
Well, there is a potential for a productive discussion here, which , up till now, has been a tad...elusive. So, since we reach on BIM being a product of a society that has put personal accountability to the rear echelons, and does not encourage individual acheivment, instead promoting a sense of entitlement, we can build on your other point. That being, that this same society is armed. MANY types of arms are available. However, is that, really, the issue? Or, do we need to rethink and change the way our society brings up and educates our young people?
Japan has been often cited as an example of a non violent society. They do not have the issues of mass shootings and such that happen here. This is an apples and oranges comparison, however, it bears on this discussion , for analytical purposes. Gun violence is rare, outside of organized crime there, and firearms are not a traditional aspect of Japanese society. Yes, their gun laws are restrictive, but the people have never had a tie in their heritage to them anyway. They did ban the ownership of the traditional katana and wakazashi swords, though. Was this because people were going on slashing rampages? No. But they were committing seppuku, at an alarming rate. On the surface, Japan IS a fairly non violent nation, but underneath, it is a pot of boiling nitro. But, they do not act OUTWARD as Americans do. They turn inward. Failure is an unacceptable thing. Personal accountability for failure is expected. Suicide, by sword, was very high, so they banned the swords. Hanging is now the preferred method. And suicides are as high as ever.
Here in the US, firearms are a part of our heritage. And , as a society, we act OUT when severely distressed. These shootings are proof of that, and, that firearms are a weapon of choice, holds no mystery. But, to attempt to remove that from the equation would be quite ineffective in stopping mass killings. Other, even more deadly and readily available methods would fill the void, and, at the same time, remove a means of defense from honest citizens.
So, is there a compromise here? .Most folks seem to be twitterpated at what it might be, and we get stuck in this volatile and highly charged "debate" , fueled by extreme views from both sides. It is often counterproductive to even try and discuss it, because the loons on both ends hijack the issue , to their own ends, and muddy the waters with offal. So, your turn. I'm listening.
 
Old 05-28-2014, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Did anyone hear of this Ann Hornaday op-ed? In a final videotaped message, a sad reflection of the sexist stories we so often see on screen - The Washington Post Personally this is a load of bunk.
 
Old 05-28-2014, 01:15 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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"call" him on it? what he is saying is subjective to his own life experience. one that, thankfully not many of us can begin to imagine in our own lives. his child was murdered. I could care less if he said the earth was flat. I will not tell him his feelings about the subject are wrong when they come from a place of complete grief and loss over his child. let the man have his expressions without judgments. it's called compassion. edited to add. there is no need for him to "engage his brain"
That's right just like the world had no right to intervene in our pain and suffering after 9-11, the U.S.A had the right to greive as we saw fit, they had no right to question or engage the U.S.A in our responses to our remorse. We decided Iraq was partially at fault and no one had the right to question our responses to our sorrow.
 
Old 05-28-2014, 01:22 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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He has a right to lash out in anyway he wants .

He doesn't have any right to do so while also expecting impunity . I bet if he was using racial slurs or blaming a ethnic group instead most of you wouldn't try to shield him as just a grieving father.
 
Old 05-28-2014, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Houston
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What automatic weapon?
Yes, what automatic weapon?
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